The other problem is Parayko only has one year left on his current deal, and then he's a 29 year old UFA Dman who will be getting either a massive extension that won't be a bargain, or he'll be gone down the road.
I’m going on the assumption that the Flames would make the deal looking to sign Parayko to a big extension. That they would be targeting him as a core piece going forward.
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I like the assets that Carolina has as well, I posted on here before I read something out of Carolina writer proposing something around Necas and Teravainen, that would be a really good base of a deal.
If we could get either Teravainen or Necas for Tkachuk it wouldn’t be terrible. Both would be spectacular.
We get more term and cheaper AVV.
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That’s a tight line up, I would probably want to move Monahan for Defense assets but would be tempted to hold onto him to try to improve his value
I don't see you adding both Teravainen and Necas for Tkachuk and a draft pick. It would make the Canes considerably worse. I personally think that Teravainen has one of the best value contracts in the league for 3 more years. If Carolina is set on trading those two, I would think Mangiapane and a prospect would need to be added from the Flames side. I could be undervaluing our players, but I really don't see Tkachuk offsetting the loss of those two players, for a team that is contending now.
If.....IF.....Tkachuk's end goal is to end up with the Blues, how much of a secret is that going to be?
If teams suspect that is where he wants to go, and know he can just go ahead and do that in two years time, how much will they be willing to give up to get two seasons of Tkachuk?
If other teams know this, won't St. Louis know this too? Pretty sure his dad will know Matt's intentions.
How much will the Blues be willing to give up to get Matt two years early if they know full well he's theirs in the summer of 2023? My guess is not very much.
If.....IF....Matt intends on going to the Blues when he hits free agency, the Flames are pretty much screwed given the inside track the Blues most surely have through Keith.
Two Stanley Cups will be handed out in that time frame. Hundreds of trades, signings, and other transactions will occur. Tkachuk himself is going to play 160 plus games. Billions in revenue will be generated.
Two years is a long time. Even if Tkachuk has his eye there he and we have no idea what's going to happen between now and then.
Tkachuk has plenty of value. Possibly to St Louis, certainly to the Flames, and to many teams across the league. Even if was guaranteed to be gone after two years (which is false) its still two full years.
Remember with Carolina that Dundon doesn't seem to want to pay big money. They've only got one player making over 6 million (Aho) and he's a center. Would he really want to pay Tkachuk and the qualify him at 9 million?
Tkachuk is a great player but not 9+ million great IMO, which is the issue.
This, coupled with Johnny's contract coming up, has essentially made this summer a hugely pivotal one for the Flames. Either you think we're close enough and keep both guys, deal with contracts when it comes up, and really try to find the missing pieces for a deep run, or you look at a wholesale rebuild, trade both and accrue as many lottery tickets coming up on a few big drafts.
With Sutter here, a rebuild is obviously not in the cards but how to go about building a contender without sacrificing too much the future?
My ideal would be to trade futures for Eichel, trade Tkachuk for essentially "now," and trade Monahan for futures.
To St. Louis: Tkachuk
To Flames: Tarasenko (I really think this guy can turn it around), Parayko, Thomas/Kyrou, 2022 1st
To Buffalo: Flames 2022 1st, Flames 2023 1st, Pelletier, Dube
To Flames: Eichel (10% retained)
To Ottawa/Columbus: Monahan, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder
To Flames: 2023 1st, 2022 2nd
Sure, it may be some homerism in there but I don't think it's completely out of touch? Except we'd have cap issues lol... if we could land Parayko, I wonder if that could allow us to further move Andersson for futures still?
Strongly disagree. If we ended up with Eichel, Parayko, and Kyrou for those pieces that's a homerun. A franchise C, a top 6 RS RW with 1st line upside and a top 4 D man. Sign me up.
While I would definitely like Eichel, and have been a proponent of Kyrou, it's a ridiculous overpayment. You're giving up 6 premium assets (when you take the Tkachuk return and add it to the Eichel trade) for a middle 6 winger with potential, 1 year of a defenseman and Eichel.
If you had to go this route, trade 2022 & 2023 1sts to Buffalo with Andersson and Zary/Pelletier. Then trade Tkachuk to St. Louis for 2022 1st, Neighbours, Parayko and Kyrou.
What's with all of the Parayko talk? Has there been a rumor that he is on the block?
The Flames seem pretty full up with talent on the blue line, so I'm not sure what kind of an upgrade this is over a signed Andersson.
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Tkachuk is a great player but not 9+ million great IMO, which is the issue.
This, coupled with Johnny's contract coming up, has essentially made this summer a hugely pivotal one for the Flames. Either you think we're close enough and keep both guys, deal with contracts when it comes up, and really try to find the missing pieces for a deep run, or you look at a wholesale rebuild, trade both and accrue as many lottery tickets coming up on a few big drafts.
With Sutter here, a rebuild is obviously not in the cards but how to go about building a contender without sacrificing too much the future?
My ideal would be to trade futures for Eichel, trade Tkachuk for essentially "now," and trade Monahan for futures.
To St. Louis: Tkachuk
To Flames: Tarasenko (I really think this guy can turn it around), Parayko, Thomas/Kyrou, 2022 1st
To Buffalo: Flames 2022 1st, Flames 2023 1st, Pelletier, Dube
To Flames: Eichel (10% retained)
To Ottawa/Columbus: Monahan, 3rd rounder, 4th rounder
To Flames: 2023 1st, 2022 2nd
Sure, it may be some homerism in there but I don't think it's completely out of touch? Except we'd have cap issues lol... if we could land Parayko, I wonder if that could allow us to further move Andersson for futures still?
Buchnevich is a Blue now and signed to a reasonable deal. I'd expect him as part of any package from St.Louis IF (BIG IF) we're looking to move Tkachuk.
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I think people are only suggesting St Louis because they like patterns. Keith Tkachuk played in St. Louis and therefore so should Matthew
* Star players are increasingly influencing where they end up playing, and any team trading for Tkachuk is going take his preferences and his contract status into account.
* Tkachuk would have a greater marketing value in St. Louis than other destinations.
* The Blues are in win now mode.
* The Blues have a big hole at LW.
* The Blues were strongly interested in Landeskog (a LW), and willing to pay big money to secure him.
* The Blues have several pieces that would be attractive to the Flames in young forwards and top-pairing D.
Now, the speculation about Tkachuk going to the Senators doesn’t make any sense as a hockey fit for either team.
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* Star players are increasingly influencing where they end up playing, and any team trading for Tkachuk is going take his preferences and his contract status into account.
* Tkachuk would have a greater marketing value in St. Louis than other destinations.
* The Blues are in win now mode.
* The Blues have a big hole at LW.
* The Blues were strongly interested in Landeskog (a LW), and willing to pay big money to secure him.
* The Blues have several pieces that would be attractive to the Flames in young forwards and top-pairing D.
Now, the speculation about Tkachuk going to the Senators doesn’t make any sense as a hockey fit for either team.
Disagree with your point they have several pieces that would be attractive. Which pieces are those? 28 year old pending UFA Parayko? Broken Tarasenko? Meh Thomas? Kyrou who is the same age as Tkachuk?
At least the Sens have the pieces to make a deal work and the logic could be that getting Matthew is how they convince Brady to sign long term. Everything I have read out of Ottawa is they want an 8 year deal with Brady who seems to want to see if the Sens are willing to spend to build a winner.
Disagree with your point they have several pieces that would be attractive. Which pieces are those? 28 year old pending UFA Parayko? Broken Tarasenko? Meh Thomas? Kyrou who is the same age as Tkachuk?
Kyrou who scored two less goals and eight less points than Tkachuk, while playing on the Blues' third line? Kyrou also didn't give up on his team and sulk because some flipped a puck at him. I'd happily take a package with Kyrou in the mix for Matthew Tkachuk. I think Tkachuk is a disruptive force, but hurts his team as much as he helps his team. He doesn't want to be here, so move him for the plethora of assets you can get. I think we've seen the best that Matthew Tkachuk can play, and it isn't nearly as great as some would build it up to be. He's more mouth than he is performer.
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Kyrou who scored two less goals and eight less points than Tkachuk, while playing on the Blues' third line? Kyrou also didn't give up on his team and sulk because some flipped a puck at him. I'd happily take a package with Kyrou in the mix for Matthew Tkachuk. I think Tkachuk is a disruptive force, but hurts his team as much as he helps his team. He doesn't want to be here, so move him for the plethora of assets you can get. I think we've seen the best that Matthew Tkachuk can play, and it isn't nearly as great as some would build it up to be. He's more mouth than he is performer.
I just don't think their assets are that attractive, I think it would have to be,
