Ozzy Wiesblatt is a calgary boy, and his brothers who are all elite hockey players are named Orca, Ocean and Oasiz (potential 2022 draft). Some funky names
An Orca is a whale. Imagine litrerally naming your kid Whale.
His NHLe-1 was nothing, but his NHLe-0 is up to 29 (HockeyProspecting.com). If we have a 3rd round pick come draft time, I'd take him. As is, I'll hope he's there at 96th. Future Considerations has him at 172nd.
This is a really good find. The big thing here is that he's actually a late birthday too, so his D-1 production should be normalized.
He's born August 19, 2002, which means he was 17 his entire draft season.
Compare that to a guy like Connor Zary who was 10 days from being in the 2019 draft and is 11 months older (September 25 2001).
Zary had NHLe of 26 and 37, Ovchinnikov has NHLe of 5 and 29.
Or fellow russian Amirov who is born October 2nd 2001, is 10 1/2 months older, and is seen as a 1st rounder. His NHLe was 24 in the same league for his 17 year old season, and 32 for his 18 year old season. Ovchinnikov's production in the NHL is actually more impressive than Amirov.
If he was born a month later and is available in the 2021 draft, he's probably looked at as a 1st rounder or at least 2nd rounder based on production. Honestly based on production as young draft eligible players I'd be fine looking at both Pashin and Ovchinnikov who both had less impressive draft -1 seasons when they were 16 for the full year, but great draft years as 17 year olds.
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Saw Pronman had his lost today and Lundell who I have seen going 8-10 in some mocks is ranked 18 right before the Calgary pick. Would be nice if he slipped to us at 19
That's why I want us to keep our pick. Surely we can get a faller in this deep draft.
Other guys who had great seasons production wise who are younger for this draft year (Born April 2002 or later), that aren't ranked as first rounders.
Player - NHLe
Pashin - 30
Ovchinnikov - 29
Connor McClennon - 29 (also a fun name for pissing off Oiler fans)
Chromiak - 29
Mysak - 28
Novak - 26
Tullio - 26
Villeneuve - 19 (As a dman, assistant captain that also led the whole team in scoring.)
These guys all had top two round production in their draft year, but were also very young and could be even better in their draft +1. If the Flames can pick up extra 2nd or 3rd rounders then these are the guys I want them to be looking at.
Last year a guy that looked like this was Nick Robertson for the leafs who had a NHLe of 25, but was the youngest guy in the draft and would have been a 2021 top 10 pick likely if he was born two weeks later. Here are other names that fit the criteria from last years draft (born after April 2001, NHLe of 25 or higher).
Player - DY NHLES - D+1 NHLES
Kaliyev - 37 - 42
Tracey - 30 - 29
Pelletier - 29 - 31 (was trending even better befor his injury.
Suzuki - 28 - 32
Tomasino - 26 - 40
Robertson - 25 - 46
Beaucage - 25 - 24
Poulin - 24 - 36
Simoneau - 22 - 31 (undrafted, available in his d+! now)
Beckman - 22 - 42 (Beckman had a lower NHLe in his DY but notable and similar type of age/projection)
All of the names on this list (outside of maybe Beaucage) took a step in D+1 and are regarded as top prospects. Honestly think that looking for younger guys in their draft year as a value pick could become a similar market inefficiency just like europeans, and undersized players has been in the past.
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This is a really good find. The big thing here is that he's actually a late birthday too, so his D-1 production should be normalized.
He's born August 19, 2002, which means he was 17 his entire draft season.
Compare that to a guy like Connor Zary who was 10 days from being in the 2019 draft and is 11 months older (September 25 2001).
Zary had NHLe of 26 and 37, Ovchinnikov has NHLe of 5 and 29.
Or fellow russian Amirov who is born October 2nd 2001, is 10 1/2 months older, and is seen as a 1st rounder. His NHLe was 24 in the same league for his 17 year old season, and 32 for his 18 year old season. Ovchinnikov's production in the NHL is actually more impressive than Amirov.
If he was born a month later and is available in the 2021 draft, he's probably looked at as a 1st rounder or at least 2nd rounder based on production. Honestly based on production as young draft eligible players I'd be fine looking at both Pashin and Ovchinnikov who both had less impressive draft -1 seasons when they were 16 for the full year, but great draft years as 17 year olds.
Flames should jump in on him, hopefully the 96th spot isn't too late - or hopefully Edmonton coughs up the pick and we can take him with their 3rd rounder.
The more I look at this kid (thanks to HockeyProspecting), the more I really, really want this kid picked. I'm not even against taking him at 49. Previously I was looking at Jean-Luc Foudy at that pick (...pretty much exactly where he's ranked by some lists), but Ovchinnikov looks like the home-run swing that may be worth taking.
I'll take almost any skilled Russian forward. Thatd be a find like Little Z or Nikolaev (Should have been a 1st or 2nd rounder, we got him at 88).
And yeah Amirov at 19. Then get Ovchinnikov when you can.
If we walked out with Amirov and Ovchinnikov at 19 and 49 (or "50" as the NHL is calling it despite there not being a "49"), I'd be pretty okay with it. Talent above all else.
Other guys who had great seasons production wise who are younger for this draft year (Born April 2002 or later), that aren't ranked as first rounders.
2020 Draft Eligibles Player - NHLe
Pashin - 30
Ovchinnikov - 29
Connor McClennon - 29 (also a fun name for pissing off Oiler fans)
Chromiak - 29
Mysak - 28
Novak - 26
Tullio - 26
Villeneuve - 19 (As a dman, assistant captain that also led the whole team in scoring.)
These guys all had top two round production in their draft year, but were also very young and could be even better in their draft +1. If the Flames can pick up extra 2nd or 3rd rounders then these are the guys I want them to be looking at.
Last year a guy that looked like this was Nick Robertson for the leafs who had a NHLe of 25, but was the youngest guy in the draft and would have been a 2021 top 10 pick likely if he was born two weeks later. Here are other names that fit the criteria from last years draft (born after April 2001, NHLe of 25 or higher).
2019 Draftees Player - DY NHLES - D+1 NHLES
Kaliyev - 37 - 42
Tracey - 30 - 29
Pelletier - 29 - 31 (was trending even better befor his injury.
Suzuki - 28 - 32
Tomasino - 26 - 40
Robertson - 25 - 46
Beaucage - 25 - 24
Poulin - 24 - 36
Simoneau - 22 - 31 (undrafted, available in his d+! now)
Beckman - 22 - 42 (Beckman had a lower NHLe in his DY but notable and similar type of age/projection)
All of the names on this list (outside of maybe Beaucage) took a step in D+1 and are regarded as top prospects. Honestly think that looking for younger guys in their draft year as a value pick could become a similar market inefficiency just like europeans, and undersized players has been in the past.
Just to try to validate this hypothesis I decided to go back even further, and look at the 2015 NHL Draft (last draft regarded as deep as this one) to see what this criteria shows for players from that draft.
Looking at players born after April 1st 1997, with an NHLe of 25 or higher in their draft season.
Not a bad list of names. It's actually pretty rare for guys born after April 1st to show this type of production in their DY, and when looking at the 2019 and 2015 draft these type of guys usually go in round 1.
Think it shows how deep this draft is when there are guys with this type of production are projected to be available as 2nd and 3rd rounders.
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I hope David Jesus gets drafted by one of the teams Miroslav Satan played for so there can be a day when a couple of friends go to a game together wearing their Satan and Jesus jerseys.
This would also work if he got drafted by one of the rivals of one of the teams Satan played for. Flames Jesus and Oilers Satan, for example.
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I hope David Jesus gets drafted by one of the teams Miroslav Satan played for so there can be a day when a couple of friends go to a game together wearing their Satan and Jesus jerseys.
This would also work if he got drafted by one of the rivals of one of the teams Satan played for. Flames Jesus and Oilers Satan, for example.
Seeing Jesus on a Devils jersey would be great too
Other guys who had great seasons production wise who are younger for this draft year (Born April 2002 or later), that aren't ranked as first rounders.
Player - NHLe
Pashin - 30
Ovchinnikov - 29
Connor McClennon - 29 (also a fun name for pissing off Oiler fans) Chromiak - 29
Mysak - 28
Novak - 26
Tullio - 26
Villeneuve - 19 (As a dman, assistant captain that also led the whole team in scoring.)
Good post, just wanted to Highlight Chromiak and Mysak. These are two players I have been watching intently since beginning of the year, simply because scouts seem to have such wildly differing opinions. I have seen both as mid firsts in mocks and both not selected in the first two rounds in mocks (though less often with Mysak.)
As you rightly pointed out later, I think this speaks highly to the depth of the draft. There are some VERY interesting players that will be available late in round 2. This isn't even considering some guys who had killer numbers in way lesser league, and so don't show up on the NHLe, i.e.Carter Savoie, Matt Benning, Sam Colangelo, Brisson.
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^Colangelo and Brisson are players to watch-both have incredible numbers. Brisson will be taken in the latter half of the first round. The second and third round are looking very good this year.
