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[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Tell me you don't understand modern employee recruiting without saying you don't understand modern employee recruiting.

Thanks for the cliche response, totally not beaten to death or anything.

It's hard to find sympathy for someone who can't handle a basic 40 hour work week in an office, "modern employee recruiting" or not.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

It's hard to find sympathy for someone who can't handle a basic 40 hour work week in an office, "modern employee recruiting" or not.

It's not a question of whether they can or can't handle it. It's a question of why would they if someone offers them the option to WFH full-time (all other compensation, etc., being equal)?

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Thanks for the cliche response, totally not beaten to death or anything

Uh, well, in fairness....

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Oh my god 40 hours a week in the office? The horror

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's not a question of whether they can or can't handle it. It's a question of why would they if someone offers them the option to WFH full-time (all other compensation, etc., being equal)?

Faceberg just laid off 11,000 employees. Seems like a lot of tech companies are starting to cut the dead weight and there is now a massive surplus of tech workers desperate for a job.

WFH is great if you can get it, but the pandemic is over and I'm thinking that gravy train has left the station.

[PepsiFree]

“Work from home forever” has also been a policy since 2020, and there have obviously people who have been hired and only worked under that policy. Then there’s the legal ramifications of changing the work situation without notice, but we don’t have enough context for a proper judgement on that.

But that’s beside the fact that it’s endlessly funny to me how hard people stan for antiquated work culture. Just the worst “pick me” vibe of almost anyone. Oh you’re mocking people who like doing the job that is 100% on a computer from home? Cool, that doesn’t put more money in your pocket or get you a promotion. Elon isn’t going to DM you. Instead of mocking people for seeing the value in better working conditions and wanting to keep them, maybe you should take your tongue off the boss’s boot and strive for something better yourself. Or keep doing the “if I have to hate this so does everyone else” thing through life. Lame.

[rubecube]

Demanding workers come back into the office is also a great way to kill morale and spur resentment amongst your staff.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Thanks for the cliche response, totally not beaten to death or anything.

It's hard to find sympathy for someone who can't handle a basic 40 hour work week in an office, "modern employee recruiting" or not.

I find it hard to have any sympathy for an employer that is so backwards that they think ppl need to bd present in an office gor certain jobs. Especially when a lot or those employers have really crappy offices.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Demanding workers come back into the office is also a great way to kill morale and spur resentment amongst your staff.

I concluded long ago that the only reason employers do this is because one of two things. Either they have to physically use their body at their place of work (that's fair), or the employer spends money on a physical building and wants ROI to make themselves feel better.

Forcing employees into the office because of the latter situation is exactly when employees tell employers to go pound sand and they'll find something else.

And employers can cry and stomp their feet all they want, but the market gets what it wants.

Remote/hybrid work is here to stay.

[photon]

Working from home is a "gravy train"? I guess I save some gas $.

Maybe for my employer, I'm more productive at home than in the office.

WFH existed LONG before COVID and more and more places were moving towards it. Sure lots of jobs don't fit with WFH, but when it makes sense and an employer refuses it says a lot about the employer. I'd rather not work for a micro-manager or someone who has no way of measuring productivity other than looking at you.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I concluded long ago that the only reason employers do this is because one of two things. Either they have to physically use their body at their place of work (that's fair), or the employer spends money on a physical building and wants ROI to make themselves feel better.

Forcing employees into the office because of the latter situation is exactly when employees tell employers to go pound sand and they'll find something else.

And employers can cry and stomp their feet all they want, but the market gets what it wants.

Remote/hybrid work is here to stay.

I think this is a really simplistic view of the situation. You don't see any benefits of working from the office other than having a butt in a seat to make their physical building worthwhile?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by photon

Working from home is a "gravy train"? I guess I save some gas $.

Maybe for my employer, I'm more productive at home than in the office.

WFH existed LONG before COVID and more and more places were moving towards it. Sure lots of jobs don't fit with WFH, but when it makes sense and an employer refuses it says a lot about the employer. I'd rather not work for a micro-manager or someone who has no way of measuring productivity other than looking at you.

I don't think most modern day employees call working from home a "gravy train".

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I concluded long ago that the only reason employers do this is because one of two things. Either they have to physically use their body at their place of work (that's fair), or the employer spends money on a physical building and wants ROI to make themselves feel better.

I have a friend who works for a software company and the lease on their commercial space came up at the beginning of 2021. He said his boss said it was the easiest decision to make to not renew and just have everyone work remotely. Saves the company thousands of dollars per year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I concluded long ago that the only reason employers do this is because one of two things. Either they have to physically use their body at their place of work (that's fair), or the employer spends money on a physical building and wants ROI to make themselves feel better.

Forcing employees into the office because of the latter situation is exactly when employees tell employers to go pound sand and they'll find something else.

And employers can cry and stomp their feet all they want, but the market gets what it wants.

Remote/hybrid work is here to stay.

TBF some of them also do it because they believe it to be essential for a good corporate culture, which could be a dumb excuse for the ROI thing you mentioned, or could be that these people are so bad at managing people and fostering an authentic culture that they have no understanding of the effect of forcing people who don’t want to be in one space back to that space.

I’ve found it pretty wild through my job to witness companies force their people back to work (some of these places even view themselves as progressive) only to lose high-quality workers to better situations and even freelancing.

[Ozy_Flame]

Freelancing/independent contracting is where it's at.

And you can choose to be in the corporate culture with your clients or completely separate yourself. Having that choice is glorious

[photon]

Originally Posted by Regorium

You don't see any benefits of working from the office other than having a butt in a seat to make their physical building worthwhile?

Well in person meetings do often give a false sense of accomplishing things

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I think this is a really simplistic view of the situation. You don't see any benefits of working from the office other than having a butt in a seat to make their physical building worthwhile?

Lunch places close by? Assuming you're downtown?

That's all I got.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Lunch places close by? Assuming you're downtown?

That's all I got.

Maybe he likes getting an hour of driving in every day. Gotta keep the tires warm!

[Sliver]

I think some people have no friends and they like the social aspect of going into the office. For me, I keep my work life and personal life 100% separate. If I could WFH I'd do it in a heartbeat and miss absolutely nothing about going to the office.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe he likes getting an hour of driving in every day. Gotta keep the tires warm!

Boomers are weird like that. Although maybe it's cathartic to listen to CDs in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Boomers are weird like that. Although maybe it's cathartic to listen to CDs in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Come on now. That's not fair. Maybe they just hate their families.