2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why? 34 and 44 points the last two years....seems to be at best average

He gelled really well with the Canucks core. While I may be out to lunch expecting 60 points from him, I don't think 20-25 goals is as outrageous as 60 points

For a 20+ goalscorer in UFA, 4.8 is really good.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I get how someone might see the potential in Galchenyuk still, but I'm not sure if he brings much more than Jankowski at this point.

Potential? Up until last year the guy was in the 40 and 50 point range last 5 or 6 seasons in a row.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

He gelled really well with the Canucks core. While I may be out to lunch expecting 60 points from him, I don't think 20-25 goals is as outrageous as 60 points

For a 20+ goalscorer in UFA, 4.8 is really good.

some pretty big ifs...players are usually paid on what they have actually done recently

In a normal year the going rate is 1M for every 10 points...its certainly not a steal based on his recent work. Anyway this is just a made up contract by a reporter no?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Husky

Potential? Up until last year the guy was in the 40 and 50 point range last 5 or 6 seasons in a row.

Half on the PP cause he can shoot, but is a career minus player who doesn’t have near the jam Namestnikov has.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Anyway this is just a made up contract by a reporter no?

The number is made up, yeah.

How Toffoli and the team have been talking makes it sound like they are close. Not sure where the number ends up still. I would be happy with 4.8 since that's about 200-700k below what was expected.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Husky

Potential? Up until last year the guy was in the 40 and 50 point range last 5 or 6 seasons in a row.

Potential as in living up to his draft position.
I think it's tempting to see a 26 year old, former 3rd overall, centre, and think it's he might be able to come in and fill a big hole.
I just don't see it, and I think it's pretty clear a lot of other teams don't anymore either, based on how he's been moved around in the last few years

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

He gelled really well with the Canucks core. While I may be out to lunch expecting 60 points from him, I don't think 20-25 goals is as outrageous as 60 points

For a 20+ goalscorer in UFA, 4.8 is really good.

Careful not to pay guys more because of their line mates like the Oilers...TT had 34 and 44 points the last two seasons

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This team is slightly worse this coming year, but with Dylan Cozens, Nolan Foote, Marco Rossi, Hendrix Lapierre, Seth Jarvis and Rodion Amirov all in the fold. Plus $11.5 million dollars in cap space to play with the following year, during a flat cap.

Those are fair points. I can see the appeal now.

[Enoch Root]

Hanifin is arguably a more valuable asset than OEL, due to the $3.3M less cap hit, but what some people are ignoring is that the proposal being discussed all includes Ryan and Lucic to even out the salary.

There is no benefit to trading OEL for Hanifiin, if you are taking Lucic with him.

That is why I suggested the proposal needs to be sweetened. There is no cap benefit to the trade for them, so there needs to be some picks/prospects to make it worthwhile.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why? 34 and 44 points the last two years....seems to be at best average

You're talking about totals on the offensively-dried LA Kings. Did you not see what he did in Vancouver?

Not only that, but the contract is only for 4 years, not some 7 year albatross.

[MrMike]

According to Craig Morgan of Arizona Coyotes Insider the Coyotes are “determined to trade OEL”.

https://azcoyotesinsider.substack.co...tm_source=copy

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MrMike

According to Craig Morgan of Arizona Coyotes Insider the Coyotes are “determined to trade OEL”.

https://azcoyotesinsider.substack.co...tm_source=copy

OEL + Kuemper + Hall and that’s a home run off-season for Tree in my eyes.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

OEL + Kuemper + Hall and that’s a home run off-season for Tree in my eyes.

Depends what goes the other way obviously, but I tend to agree.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Depends what goes the other way obviously, but I tend to agree.

I would imagine it would be Hanifin + Ryan as the basis from the active roster, combined with some top-60 picks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You're talking about totals on the offensively-dried LA Kings. Did you not see what he did in Vancouver?

Not only that, but the contract is only for 4 years, not some 7 year albatross.

I saw...its not a steal, its also not a real contract so we probably don't need to debate it either.

[Sandman]

Regarding Toffoli-I can't remember where I read it, but I recall somebody pointing out that he had a ridiculously good pts/60 with the Kings-his totals were down because he was only getting something like 12-13 minutes a night. With more ice and better line-mates, he'll be a steal for them.

[dino7c]

Toffoli needs 50 points to just be average on a 5M contract

Anyway they haven't signed him to anything so this debate can be saved for another day

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I would imagine it would be Hanifin + Ryan as the basis from the active roster, combined with some top-60 picks.

Here is the only way that I can see something like this working, given the players and contracts involved.

OEL 8.25M/7Y
Kuemper 2.25M/2Y (50% retained)

for

Hanafin 4.95M/4Y
Ryan 3.125M/1Y

10.5M in 8.075M out
Kuemper replaces 2.75M salary of Talbot making the overall difference on the ice 750K/2Y more cap for Calgary if Gawdin replaces Ryan on the fourth line. The savings wrought by the retained salary of Kuemper lasts until the retirement (or Joe Thornton reduction) of Giordano at the end of his contract. OEL's contract relative to Gio's becomes a similar burden at that time, which is palatable.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

OEL + Kuemper + Hall and that’s a home run off-season for Tree in my eyes.

Trading for key pieces from a bubble team that hasn’t done much in post season raises some red flags for me.

Like when we got bouwmeester. Lots of hype but didn’t translate to success in ice.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

OEL + Kuemper + Hall and that’s a home run off-season for Tree in my eyes.

I don't know how we fit that under the cap.