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Old 01-10-2021, 08:38 AM   #201
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You'd have to be an ideological zealot not to see that the enforcement of censorship on social media isn't heavily influenced by politics. Twitter is a wasteland filled with dummies spewing crazy ####, and pretty much all of it goes untouched. They seem to only role up their sleeves and get involved when it comes to fighting the scourge of the right. I dont recall big tech pushing back against all the calls for rioting and violence by the left over the summer.

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"Let's burn down the city to fight injustice. Death to MAGA."

Twitter: " fight the good fight, noble soldiers."

"I think Chrissy Teigan is a pedo, check out all these gross tweets she made."

Twitter: " get this ####ing monster off our platform."
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You'd have to be an ideological zealot not to see that the enforcement of censorship on social media isn't heavily influenced by politics. Twitter is a wasteland filled with dummies spewing crazy ####, and pretty much all of it goes untouched. They seem to only role up their sleeves and get involved when it comes to fighting the scourge of the right. I dont recall big tech pushing back against all the calls for rioting and violence by the left over the summer.
Here's some proof: remember when twitter turned an AI into a racist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)
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Old 01-10-2021, 09:49 AM   #204
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Hopefully social media platforms start taking social responsibility seriously and suspend all people making threats and calls to violence. But if this is applied selectively and along culture wars lines, it will give credence to the claims of conservatives that the media and tech are conspiring against half of America. Which will only add fuel to the fires of division and hate.

Whenever you cheer on an institution's power to suppress your enemies, stop and consider if those powers could be used against you. I don't have any difficulty imagining a timeline where Silicon Valley giants suppress speech by a future Bernie Sanders. Will we still be applauding the freedom of private companies to police their platforms as they see fit then?
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Won't someone think of the poor persecuted ultra right wing...I mean Nazi's!
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Old 01-10-2021, 09:55 AM   #206
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Trump isn't being censored. He can make videos, have press conferences, go on tv, etc etc. A lot of people didn't have TV's back in the day, did anyone cry about them not being able to hear a president address the nation? It's actually never been easier for the president to get his message out and have it easily seen. He could be banned from every social media platform, and that would still be true.

Fact is, people have been banned on twitter for FAR, FAR less than what Trump has done. If I'm not mistaken, just dead naming someone on Twitter results in a ban.

I got temporarily banned for stating that someone making an ignorant statement needed a slap in the head. I certainly didn't get anyone killed by inciting a bunch of lunatics.

As far as Parler getting tossed off the servers, what the hell do they expect when you're planning violence on a public platform. No one would say a peep if this was a foreign "terrorist" group organizing on Instagram, or any other platform. This isn't about people having stupid opinions. This isn't about freedom of speech, it's about people being violent, and ignorant, based on lies. If parler was just people talking about how Biden sucks, or about economic policy they wouldn't be getting banned.

As far as the comparisons to the BLM I don't think many people thought that looting and rioting were good things. Those things suck.

There's a big difference between BLM supporters protesting things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED for decades, vs these Trumpers trying to overthrow the government over things that DID NOT HAPPEN.
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It will be good if social media platforms stark taking social responsibility seriously and suspend all people making threats and calls to violence. But if this is applied selectively and along culture wars lines, it will give credence to the claims of conservatives that the media and tech are conspiring against half of America. Which will only add fuel to the fires of division and hate.

Whenever you cheer on an institution's power to suppress your enemies, stop and consider if those powers could be used against you. I don't have any difficulty imagining a timeline where Silicon Valley giants suppress speech by a future Bernie Sanders. Will we still be applauding the freedom of private companies to police their platforms as they see fit then?
Well if a future Bernie tells a mob of neckbeards to storm the Capitol and overturn a legal election, then I'll be ok with future Bernie being blocked from a private company's platform. If he get's banned for pimping universal medicare, then I'll be concerned.

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Here's some proof: remember when twitter turned an AI into a racist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)
How is that proof of anything, other than twitter is toxic?

For those those worried that “it could happen to you”, do you think this was done capriciously without cause? If anything, banning Trump should have happened years ago. If I spout lies and incite violence, then yes, it could and should happen to me.

These tech companies do carry tremendous power, no question. The answer would seem to be that they should be regulated; they should ensure a safer, less bot filled environments that amplify the awful. “Free” markets produce externalities that must be addressed through government. Not an easy task and it will take some nuanced discussion surrounding Section 230, anti-trust law and other federal levers that one party in particular has ignored or actively weakened. This can get better.
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Old 01-10-2021, 10:12 AM   #209
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Hopefully social media platforms start taking social responsibility seriously and suspend all people making threats and calls to violence. But if this is applied selectively and along culture wars lines, it will give credence to the claims of conservatives that the media and tech are conspiring against half of America. Which will only add fuel to the fires of division and hate.

Whenever you cheer on an institution's power to suppress your enemies, stop and consider if those powers could be used against you. I don't have any difficulty imagining a timeline where Silicon Valley giants suppress speech by a future Bernie Sanders. Will we still be applauding the freedom of private companies to police their platforms as they see fit then?
All the more reason for people to reject social media platforms. I deleted Twitter a couple months ago and I honest to god have not missed it one bit. It’s the worst. Facebook? Useless. I don’t even have or ever have had Instagram.

All this stuff is just crap.
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You'd have to be an ideological zealot not to see that the enforcement of censorship on social media isn't heavily influenced by politics. Twitter is a wasteland filled with dummies spewing crazy ####, and pretty much all of it goes untouched. They seem to only role up their sleeves and get involved when it comes to fighting the scourge of the right. I dont recall big tech pushing back against all the calls for rioting and violence by the left over the summer.
You’d have to be addicted to emotionally potent oversimplifications to not see that people need to be held accountable in accordance with the cause and effect of their actions.

False equivalencies and logical fallacies are now being punted into the sun along side the cognitive biases that generated them.

They will no longer be tolerated the way they have been.

Failures in the traditional generation, dissemination, and implementation of logical, factual based knowledge has left a vacuum to be filled by conspiracy theories and nonsense peddled by narcissistic politicians.

The consequences of ignoring this are now undeniable.

The challenge now is to vet, organize, and communicate knowledge in ways that take then energy of misunderstandings and use it to create better outcomes.

It’s time to be adults and realize that if you identify as a conservative, you want a better liberal argument to better your thought process. If you identify as a liberal, you want to better conservative argument to improve your thinking.

The left and the right need each other to avoid spinning in circles.

In any walk of life, we do not improve unless we are challenged.

Right now the reckless, disorganized, and unaccountable thinking on social media makes this almost impossible.

It won’t be easy, but emotionally potent oversimplification is easy and that is what enabled this mess.
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Maybe its just the circles I follow on Insta, but I have never seen a single political rant or post based on any kind of politics on Instagram.

I also dont go looking for them. Maybe they have a better algorithm? My feed is all silly cat pictures and vids and dirtbiking.
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All the more reason for people to reject social media platforms. I deleted Twitter a couple months ago and I honest to god have not missed it one bit. It’s the worst. Facebook? Useless. I don’t even have or ever have had Instagram.

All this stuff is just crap.
I do wonder if their popularity will wane, or perhaps anti-trust action will create more competition and even out the playing field. (Doubtful on both counts).

I am on CP and LinkedIn, and barely use the latter.
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Maybe its just the circles I follow on Insta, but I have never seen a single political rant or post based on any kind of politics on Instagram.

I also dont go looking for them. Maybe they have a better algorithm? My feed is all silly cat pictures and vids and dirtbiking.
For sure its all in how you use it. I use facebook just to keep in touch with people from way back. Never post anything political and just unfollow people who do. So facebook for me is pretty much just people showing pictures of their vacations and food choices.
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Maybe its just the circles I follow on Insta, but I have never seen a single political rant or post based on any kind of politics on Instagram.

I also dont go looking for them. Maybe they have a better algorithm? My feed is all silly cat pictures and vids and dirtbiking.
I had to go through and click "Not Interested" on an insane amount of ultra-right wing accounts on my explore page.

I found Instagram to be the worst of them all.
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I had to go through and click "Not Interested" on an insane amount of ultra-right wing accounts on my explore page.

I found Instagram to be the worst of them all.
But how can that possibly be true, I’ve been told social media is silencing conservative voices along cultural war lines!
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But how can that possibly be true, I’ve been told social media is silencing conservative voices along cultural war lines!
Today we can't spout hate speech,

Tomorrow we can't plan to overthrow a democractically elected government

What's next? No child pornography?

Stupid Libtards! What about my rights?!
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Maybe its just the circles I follow on Insta, but I have never seen a single political rant or post based on any kind of politics on Instagram.

I also dont go looking for them. Maybe they have a better algorithm? My feed is all silly cat pictures and vids and dirtbiking.



Just exploring? Maybe not. Since the addition of stories to instagram, I see it all the time. Tattoo artists, photographers, gym rats, etc etc. Lots of opinions on covid, the government, etc etc.
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"Let's burn down the city to fight injustice. Death to MAGA."

Twitter: " fight the good fight, noble soldiers."

"I think Chrissy Teigan is a pedo, check out all these gross tweets she made."

Twitter: " get this ####ing monster off our platform."
Except that didn't happen.

And yes, Twitter has taken action against individuals on both sides. It just so happens that one side, through consistent and well known leadership, planned and executed sedition and an armed insurrection broadcast around the globe.

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Hopefully social media platforms start taking social responsibility seriously and suspend all people making threats and calls to violence. But if this is applied selectively and along culture wars lines, it will give credence to the claims of conservatives that the media and tech are conspiring against half of America. Which will only add fuel to the fires of division and hate.

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Lol. You think people are cheering because their ideological enemies have been suppressed?

They’re cheering because people who incite hate and violence against their fellow citizen have been rightly banned.

It’s interesting that you keep trying to reframe this as some slippery slope we should all be afraid of and not the very late but correct decision. Shows a lot about how you see these events and what your priorities are.
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"Let's burn down the city to fight injustice. Death to MAGA."

Twitter: " fight the good fight, noble soldiers."

"I think Chrissy Teigan is a pedo, check out all these gross tweets she made."

Twitter: " get this ####ing monster off our platform."
Lmao are you joking? Twitter suspended/banned at least 20 accounts I follow(ed) during the riots.

This is definitely a case of selection bias.
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