Pronman: Flames with the 29th ranked farm system

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, Pronman likes the flashy little guys, so no surprise to see Phillips among our highest ranked. But to be that far off consensus with Valimaki is bizarre, considering the WJC tournament and WHL playoffs he just had.

Whatever - one man's opinion.

Valimaki had a great start to the tournament but had a sub par last few games and then missed almost a month after as he was dealing with an injury during the tournament. Valimaki’s playoff performance should of pushed him way higher in these rankings than he is. Doesn’t matter, he’ll show it on the ice.

[Geeoff]

I can definitely see that, since our highest potential players are already playing on the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pronman tends to rank players that he thinks that are dynamic (e.g. flashy) really high.

He has been high on Kylington for a very long time. So not really surprised he has Kylington as the top guy.

Probably explains why he doesn't have Valimaki rated higher. Still, I don't know that I see much value in a system that fails to recognize the value of a 2nd pairing d-man who plays in the NHL for 10+ years, which is not a far-fetched projection for Valimaki. I'm confident that if a GM comes sniffing around and asking about Valimaki, and Treliving counters with Kylington, that cools the GM's interest.

[Geeoff]

I find it surprising that Washington and Tampa are so low. Those two teams always seem to be graduating prospects

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Pronman has always had some weird biases so his rankings always need to be taken with a grain of salt. IMO hes not giving enough credit to Valimaki in particular.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Pronman has always had some weird biases so his rankings always need to be taken with a grain of salt. IMO hes not giving enough credit to Valimaki in particular.

Or Andersson.

He also tends to rank high end flashy offensive forwards above everything else in his ratings - so the Flames not having a a true blue chip forward like that is going to hold them back here.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Fair evaluation of the overall pool, but definitely undervalues Valimaki's abilities and overestimates Kylington's likelihood of ever playing in the NHL (the guy still struggles to clear the net or win battles in corners). To each their own though.

[Split98]

A few undervalues here, but not surprising to see how we compare to the rest of the league.

If this team can turn the corner and start making some waves in the playoffs, this is all moot anyway. There will be peaks and valleys in your NHL team and prospect farm, but as long as they align we shouldn't be too worried.

For depth, I'm really happy with what we have on the farm. Mangiapane, Dube and Phillips are three great cracks at filling a hole throughout the lineup. Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington are three good defenceman that are pushing for a spot in the lineup right now. Even without the strongest farm out there, it's value to the NHL team is still good.

Not having a future star is just fine right now too. We have a good core for the next 5 years or so. It'll be a while before someone else needs to start contributing on the 1st line, so long as we start drafting in the first round again we have a good amount of runway to try and develop the new wave.

As long as this is the situation we have on a #29 farm, I'm excited to see what position we're in after adding some higher-drafted prospects in the coming years.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I find it surprising that Washington and Tampa are so low. Those two teams always seem to be graduating prospects

Hence why they're so low.

Graduating prospects removes them (the prospects) from the pool and makes the system low. What's distressing about the Flames situation isn't that they're ranked so low it's that the parent team doesn't have anything to show for having burned through it's prospect capital (in the form of graduations and burnt draft picks).

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Hence why they're so low.

Graduating prospects removes them (the prospects) from the pool and makes the system low. What's distressing about the Flames situation isn't that they're ranked so low it's that the parent team doesn't have anything to show for having burned through it's prospect capital (in the form of graduations and burnt draft picks).

Don’t really understand your statement that the Flames have nothing to show.

They have Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Hamonic, Brodie, Backlund, Smith, etc to show from draft picks and graduations.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Hence why they're so low.

Graduating prospects removes them (the prospects) from the pool and makes the system low. What's distressing about the Flames situation isn't that they're ranked so low it's that the parent team doesn't have anything to show for having burned through it's prospect capital (in the form of graduations and burnt draft picks).

Yeah the NHL roster is devoid of young talent

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Didn't valimaki fall in a recent redraft? I feel like I read that.

Not as far as I know.

I think you may be referring to some posts in a thread from a few weeks ago about the top-fifty outside of the NHL, in which it was noticed that Valimaki fell one or two spots below his #16 draft placement relative to peers of his from the 2017 draft in that particular list. This was not a "redraft." Missing from this is the disclaimer the author of the posted article set forward at the outset in which he conceded that in his list the #16–38 picks into which Valimaki slotted were part of the same tier, and largely interchangeable.

[Oling_Roachinen]

For what it's worth, here's the Hockey New's redraft at the end of March:

https://thehockeynews.com/news/artic...he-first-round

Valimaki up to 13th after being drafted by the Flames 16th. He would go on to score 17 points in 12 games in the playoffs.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not as far as I know.

I think you may be referring to some posts in a thread from a few weeks ago about the top-fifty outside of the NHL, in which it was noticed that Valimaki fell one or two spots below his #16 draft placement relative to peers of his from the 2017 draft in that particular list. This was not a "redraft." Missing from this is the disclaimer the author of the posted article set forward at the outset in which he conceded that in his list the #16–38 picks into which Valimaki slotted were part of the same tier, and largely interchangeable.

Nailed it, that's what I was thinking of

[iloveicedhockey]

Andersson being undersold as well methinks but we don't have any early round skill forwards left developing, so I can see why we'd score so low. It's reasonably fair for what it is.

In theory, this should really be done on day one of the season, or after 9 games, as that would be more representative of the organisation depth top to bottom. If you have good prospects but have the team depth and ability to develop them for as long as they need outside the NHL then you're in a good spot.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Well, this is what happens when you have a lot of prospects graduate. We’ve had our top ones graduate every year since Monahan was drafted.

Monahan 2014
Gaudreau 2015
Bennett 2016
Tkachuk 2017
Jankowski 2018

Could even somewhat include Baertschi in there.

[Caged Great]

Of course the Flames prospects are terrible. They have had like zero high end picks for the past few years that have remained on the farm team.

That's the problem when you've rebuilt and all your good picks from the rebuild are now top NHL players.

The key is to restock the cupboard and hope that some of the high skill questionable other parts of their game guys can figure things out and become top prospects down the road.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Of course the Flames prospects are terrible. They have had like zero high end picks for the past few years that have remained on the farm team.

That's the problem when you've rebuilt and all your good picks from the rebuild are now top NHL players.

The key is to restock the cupboard and hope that some of the high skill questionable other parts of their game guys can figure things out and become top prospects down the road.

A hint on the Flames prospect depth comes from Czarnik, a absolute spare part in Boston who is the Flames odds on favorite prospect to play in the NHL this year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

A hint on the Flames prospect depth comes from Czarnik, a absolute spare part in Boston who is the Flames odds on favorite prospect to play in the NHL this year.

Spare part that almost the entire league wanted to sign

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

A hint on the Flames prospect depth comes from Czarnik, a absolute spare part in Boston who is the Flames odds on favorite prospect to play in the NHL this year.

That's a pretty sweeping conclusion and condemnation.

Any time you can add an asset that looks ready to "pop" you do it.