10-21-2017, 12:40 PM
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#261
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#1 Goaltender
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Honestly think he has this season to show what he has with the Flames. If he has a dud of a season, he will be playing for someone else next season.
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10-21-2017, 01:00 PM
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#262
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by gunnner
I hate this thread. Sam is 21 years old. A 23 year old Backlund put up a monstrous 4 goals and 7 asssists in 41 games. A 21 year old Backlund would have been traded for Brandon Sutter if this over reacting board had its way. Chillllll.....
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I agree with you on the point of Bennett being 21 and patience being required, however I feel you missed an important piece of context with regard to Backlund:
A 23 year old Backlund put up a monstrous 4 goals and 7 asssists in 41 games while showcasing his skills as an elite shutdown centre.
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10-21-2017, 01:06 PM
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#263
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Scoring Winger
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Sam Bennett was Connor McDavid's left winger for 8 years when they were growing up.
I'd like to see him play on the wing with Jankowski and if his play improves then it should be a permanent placement. Left wing depth be damned play the kid where he will succeed most
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10-21-2017, 01:50 PM
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#264
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#1 Goaltender
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It’s almost time to start questioning management on why they feel Sam Bennett needs to play center anymore. There’s no logic or reasoning anymore. We have Monahan locked up, Treliving says re-signing Backlund is a priority. If Jankowski looks ready to be a productive center in this league than why is this team still hung up on forcing him to play center.
It clearly isn’t working nor has it ever worked. They’re putting him and this team and Jankowski in a bad spot. There’s no reasoning anymore behind it. We’re not starved at center, we’ve got room for him at wing where he’s shown to be the most successful thus far in his career. Right now I’m not sure whether it’s just stubborness or pride from th higher ups, but it’s getting in the way and it has to change because wins are the most important thing in this league.
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10-21-2017, 02:50 PM
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#265
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Franchise Player
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Bennett's problem right now is confidence.
The combination of working on defensive positioning and struggling with the lack of discipline has him thinking too much. I have no doubt he can be a top six C, but right now he's fighting it.
So simplify things. He needs to have his plate cleared. Let him play wing and give him offensive zone starts. Tell him to just have fun for a while.
Plus, the switch opens the door for Jankowski to get top 9 minutes. Give him some games and see what he does with it.
There is plenty of time to create the top 6 C the team is hoping for.
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10-21-2017, 02:50 PM
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#266
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by united
I agree with you on the point of Bennett being 21 and patience being required, however I feel you missed an important piece of context with regard to Backlund:
A 23 year old Backlund put up a monstrous 4 goals and 7 asssists in 41 games while showcasing his skills as an elite shutdown centre.
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Bennett's actually doing pretty OK in this regard I feel. Gulutzan is not shy about giving tough minutes to Bennett. I think Calgary4Life mentioned it.
Gulutzan trusts Bennett more, even now during this icy stretch, than Hartley with Backlund. At first, anyway. I recall Backs playing chauffeur to face-punching enforcers a lot on the 4th line under Bob and even then . And while Bennett hasn't exactly had a wealth of stellar linemates, I'm pretty sure we haven't stapled him to grinders outside of Brouwer.
It may be a more difficult road for Sam, but the patience will wear off.
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10-21-2017, 03:16 PM
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#267
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
It's more complicated than that. He actually started in junior on the wing. He was moved to centre in his draft year but early in his draft year scouts wanted him to use his linemates more, he had a tendency to do everything himself. In the NHL arguably one of his best stretches of offensive play came while he was on LW with Backlund and Frolik. So trying to say he's a natural centre is an oversimplification as he played both C and W in junior and the NHL.
From what I've observed he has a lot of attributes that would make him a good winger. Good puckhandling and 1 on 1 skills. Good speed driving down the wing. Tenacious board play. I've seen glimpses of playmaking but he doesn't strike me as a classic playmaking centre at other times. I'm sure he'd make a fine centre longterm but I tend to think Jankowski is more of a natural centre and out of all of our centres I think Bennett would make the best winger.
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I agree. So why is Jankowski still in the NHL while our 3rd and 4th lines have produced no goals so far this season. Not good for development of either player in my opinion. Bennett has lost his confidence at this point. Janko, to his credit continues to dominate in the AHL but it's time to bring up to the next level in order for his game to continue growing. Not to mention that it's probable that bringing Janko up and moving Bennett to the wing will improve the Flames right now. If not now, then when? The bottom two lines aren't working and patience or not (& I think Bennett will be fine once things are changed up), I just don't think it's wise to keep Bennett in a position where he has had over a season of decline with a few spurts of strong play.
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10-21-2017, 03:46 PM
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#268
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Peterborough, ON
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Bennett's problem right now is confidence.
The combination of working on defensive positioning and struggling with the lack of discipline has him thinking too much. I have no doubt he can be a top six C, but right now he's fighting it.
So simplify things. He needs to have his plate cleared. Let him play wing and give him offensive zone starts. Tell him to just have fun for a while.
Plus, the switch opens the door for Jankowski to get top 9 minutes. Give him some games and see what he does with it.
There is plenty of time to create the top 6 C the team is hoping for.
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Couldn't agree more (even if he winds up being a high end winger rather than centre).
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10-21-2017, 05:06 PM
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#269
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Bennett's problem right now is confidence.
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Bennett’s problem is he’s not a good hockey player. Bennett displays little that makes you believe he could be a top six player, let alone become a third line center. This is a kid that should be in the minors. If it weren’t his draft status, he’d be in the minors learning to play his position.
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10-21-2017, 05:11 PM
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#270
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by New Era
Bennett’s problem is he’s not a good hockey player. Bennett displays little that makes you believe he could be a top six player, let alone become a third line center. This is a kid that should be in the minors. If it weren’t his draft status, he’d be in the minors learning to play his position.
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10-21-2017, 05:22 PM
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#271
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Franchise Player
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Dead ####ing serious. I was looking for Bennett to step up and show he was capable of making Backlund expendable. Bennett has shown he isn’t capable of playing in the NHL so far this season. Zero points and 12 PIM in 7 games, and all of them for lazy stick fouls. He hasn’t earned his spot in the lineup beyond his draft position.
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10-21-2017, 05:32 PM
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#272
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Franchise Player
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Wonder if a Galchenyuk/Bennett swap is something that might end up happening down the road.
Both high picks yet to pan out while having flashes of the offensive pedigree they were known for.
One is forced as a winger when deemed to not be a centre and the other is stuck as a centre when he's yet to show more than his time as a winger.
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10-21-2017, 05:49 PM
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#273
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Lifetime In Suspension
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It feels like Bennett really suffered by never getting to spend any time in the AHL. I think that would have really helped with his overall development.
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10-21-2017, 06:15 PM
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#274
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
It’s almost time to start questioning management on why they feel Sam Bennett needs to play center anymore. There’s no logic or reasoning anymore.
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The only reason I can think of is bargaining power in the Backlund negotiations. If the Flames could sit down at the table with Backlund's agent and hold the real possibility of another player ready to step in as the 2C it would give them some leverage. But that's looking like a pretty thin reed at this point.
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10-21-2017, 06:33 PM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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I am not sure if Bennett is a bust and if playing him at C is a good idea long term or not. He seems kind of dumb for a C, but perhaps it's the lost development year and confidence issues.
What I am more sure of, and here I very much want to echo Green Lantern's thoughts, is that the team is "going for it", so sooner rather than later this "Bennett at C" thing is going to have to come to an end because it's costing us points in the standings. Given his level of production, if they are hell-bent on him at C, I think that needs to happen in Stockton... This is also the reason I can see a Bennett for Galchenyuk swap (if the cap hits can be made to work) - remember, our scouts ranked Gal #1 that draft and we know he for sure is able to produce at the NHL level... Anyhow, curious to see out sure eek what happens.
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10-21-2017, 06:34 PM
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#276
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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Very thin. That argument would help Backlund.
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10-21-2017, 06:45 PM
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#277
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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I hope sam gets the 1st 15 games at centre and the next 15 games on the wing. Then we may learn something either way.
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10-21-2017, 07:12 PM
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#278
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anduril
Wonder if a Galchenyuk/Bennett swap is something that might end up happening down the road.
Both high picks yet to pan out while having flashes of the offensive pedigree they were known for.
One is forced as a winger when deemed to not be a centre and the other is stuck as a centre when he's yet to show more than his time as a winger.
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Rather keep Bennett
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10-21-2017, 11:29 PM
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#279
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Sam Bennett as a center or winger?
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he's bust
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10-21-2017, 11:38 PM
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#280
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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I love Bennett but I'm starting to lose patience
I'll also be extremely pissed if we trade him and then the new team just plays him at wing and he dominates.
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