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Old 07-18-2017, 09:44 PM   #81
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I think it's grossly overvalued when looking at how much money and term some people think Backlund is worth. I consider strong defensive play more of a nice to have than a necessity for a first line center who's main priority is to score goals. I consider it more a required skill of 2nd or 3rd line centers.
Players spend half the game without the puck. It's as influential on the game's outcome as offence. It's why teams led by one-dimensional players like Ovechkin rarely win the Cup, while almost every winner leans heavily on a stud two-way center (Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar, Crosby).

If you're putting out your 3rd line center whenever your opposition has it's number one on the ice, you're dancing to their tune. Conversely, if your number one can also shut down the other team's scoring lines, you have a tremendous advantage in matchups.
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:02 PM   #82
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Players spend half the game without the puck. It's as influential on the game's outcome as offence. It's why teams led by one-dimensional players like Ovechkin rarely win the Cup, while almost every winner leans heavily on a stud two-way center (Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar, Crosby).

If you're putting out your 3rd line center whenever your opposition has it's number one on the ice, you're dancing to their tune. Conversely, if your number one can also shut down the other team's scoring lines, you have a tremendous advantage in matchups.
Yeah I don't think it's as much of an "overvaluing" as much as a combination of teams (and fans) realizing that these players are necessities, and these players using that to their advantage to leverage good contracts (which they should). There's also the fact that strong defence is just difficult to recognize. Advance stats try, but even when accurate, the layperson has a difficult time (or doesn't care) to decipher what they really mean.

Defence is largely noticed in an eye test, and even then many fans have a tough time seeing it. Especially when you don't watch a team very much.

Backlund's contract will probably have some Eastern people going "WHO?!?", but I'd rather the situation be star players making 6-8, key role players (Backlund, Frolik) making 4-6 and the rest under 2 or on ELCs, than star players making 10-13 and decent secondary players getting squeezed out.

This is also predicated on controlling your cap home growing players rather than having to overpay for guys like Brouwer in free agency. The crop of players available as FAs seems to be dwindling as teams lock up star players earlier and for longer, so the ones that are available end up making way too much money due to teams needing to add someone somehow. The effects of the 8 year max contracts might change this soon though.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:28 PM   #83
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Maybe, but Monahan isn't even ranked and the comparison was between the two players.
Throwing all this Barkov v Monahan garbage aside, (it's boring and played out), Monahan not even being ranked in this star power thing is utterly bizarre. He's hovered in and around 30 goals and 60 points in three of his four seasons in the NHL. Every year but last was the first time he didn't have a vote for an NHL award. 8th in Calder voting in his rookie year, 5th in Byng voting and 20th in Selke voting his 2nd year, and 14th in Byng voting his third year.

Anyone else not ranked at all with that pedigree?
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