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Some people see internet message boards as a way for strangers to explore topics in a consequence free setting. This is completely wrong. Internet message boards are for meticulously keeping track of a strangers' opinions in order to construct a personality for them, than ranking all those people in a hierarchy based on one's own values and judgments, ultimately placing oneself on top of that hierarchy for a cheap endorphin hit. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Cliff is a 10 top poster for stimulating interesting conversation.
Some people see internet message boards as a way for strangers to explore topics in a consequence free setting. This is completely wrong. Internet message boards are for meticulously keeping track of a strangers' opinions in order to construct a personality for them, than ranking all those people in a hierarchy based on one's own values and judgments, ultimately placing oneself on top of that hierarchy for a cheap endorphin hit. Otherwise, what's the point?
OMG. This is the most succinct and accurate description of anything, ever.
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Cliff is a 10 top poster for stimulating interesting conversation.
Some people see internet message boards as a way for strangers to explore topics in a consequence free setting. This is completely wrong. Internet message boards are for meticulously keeping track of a strangers' opinions in order to construct a personality for them, than ranking all those people in a hierarchy based on one's own values and judgments, ultimately placing oneself on top of that hierarchy for a cheap endorphin hit. Otherwise, what's the point?
This just sounds like talk from someone at the bottom of a lot of rankings.
This just sounds like talk from someone at the bottom of a lot of rankings.
I'll peel back the curtain for a moment: I find it beneficial that people are inclined to disagree with me, leads to better conversation. I have zero interest in accurately representing myself or getting anyone here to like me.
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I'll peel back the curtain for a moment: I find it beneficial that people are inclined to disagree with me, leads to better conversation. I have zero interest in accurately representing myself or getting anyone here to like me.
Well, I like your constructed personality Matata! I'LL be your Hakuna!
The $20 Tim’s card, to somehow lessen the historic trauma of residential schools, was a objectively a pretty trashy idea. Sure, I suppose trashier ideas could have been doled out, but that was the most garbage idea trotted out here.
The $20 Tim’s card, to somehow lessen the historic trauma of residential schools, was a objectively a pretty trashy idea. Sure, I suppose trashier ideas could have been doled out, but that was the most garbage idea trotted out here.
Jayswin expresses a lot of opinions about other posters and their posts - mostly negative ones - but not as much about the thread topics themselves or even the nature of the conversation that's ongoing. I mean, this isn't about the thread topic either:
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Some people see internet message boards as a way for strangers to explore topics in a consequence free setting. This is completely wrong. Internet message boards are for meticulously keeping track of a strangers' opinions in order to construct a personality for them, than ranking all those people in a hierarchy based on one's own values and judgments, ultimately placing oneself on top of that hierarchy for a cheap endorphin hit. Otherwise, what's the point?
... but it's still a substantive post, and not just "this post is terrible and dumb and I didn't enjoy reading it". We have a user for that and he's far more efficient.
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Is there anything more paternalistic than arguing to hand out a bunch of gift cards? 50 years ago that suggestion would have been booze and smokes. I guess we know what some folks think about personal agency and righting historical wrongs. No cash, they'll just waste it is waiting in the next breath.
This just sounds like talk from someone at the bottom of a lot of rankings.
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1) Popular opinion expressed in a snarky and derisive manner
2) Popular opinion expressed politely
3) Unpopular opinion expressed politely
4) Unpopular opinion expressed in a snarky and derisive manner
People with unpopular opinions are better off expressing them politely. But if they really want to rise in the rankings, they should keep the snarky tone and employ it in the service of more popular opinions.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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1) Popular opinion expressed in a snarky and derisive manner
2) Popular opinion expressed politely
3) Unpopular opinion expressed politely
4) Unpopular opinion expressed in a snarky and derisive manner
People with unpopular opinions are better off expressing them politely. But if they really want to rise in the rankings, they should keep the snarky tone and employ it in the service of more popular opinions.
And here I thought I was popular for my boyish charm.
The $20 Tim’s card, to somehow lessen the historic trauma of residential schools, was a objectively a pretty trashy idea. Sure, I suppose trashier ideas could have been doled out, but that was the most garbage idea trotted out here.
I didn’t say anything about residential schools. The subject was renaming streets, etc.
Most people who live in these cities, let alone those on First Nations, have no idea who these places were named after in the first place. These kind of symbolic gestures don’t move the needle an inch when it comes to real-world outcomes. They’re nothing more than a way for the fraction of the population who live and breathe culture wars to keep score.
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Is there anything more paternalistic than arguing to hand out a bunch of gift cards? 50 years ago that suggestion would have been booze and smokes. I guess we know what some folks think about personal agency and righting historical wrongs. No cash, they'll just waste it is waiting in the next breath.
It wasn't a suggestion to redress historic wrongs. He was using a hypothetical scenario to illustrate his point, which is that most indigenous people don't actually care all that much about re-naming things named after people with, shall we say, complicated legacies - that if given the choice between having those things re-named and getting a $20 gift card, indigenous people would care so little about the re-naming that they'd take the gift card that at least gives them a couple of free lunches.
Leaving aside whether you agree with the point or whether you think that example is good or bad, at least let's be clear about what he was actually saying.
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I didn’t say anything about residential schools. The subject was renaming streets, etc.
Most people who live in these cities, let alone those on First Nations, have no idea who these places were named after in the first place. These kind of symbolic gestures don’t move the needle an inch when it comes to real-world outcomes. They’re nothing more than a way for the fraction of the population who live and breathe culture wars to keep score.
Well the current context for renaming most infrastructure like streets, bridges, schools, etc. is due to their namesakes’ historic role in the destruction of First Nations’ culture and most recently residential schools, so maybe I misspoke when I said your idea for giving out token Tim’s cards, instead of renaming streets, was a poor way of making amends, if that isn’t what you were implying.
It wasn't a suggestion to redress historic wrongs. He was using a hypothetical scenario to illustrate his point, which is that most indigenous people don't actually care all that much about re-naming things named after people with, shall we say, complicated legacies - that if given the choice between having those things re-named and getting a $20 gift card, indigenous people would care so little about the re-naming that they'd take the gift card that at least gives them a couple of free lunches.
Leaving aside whether you agree with the point or whether you think that example is good or bad, at least let's be clear about what he was actually saying.
I understood the intent, it's just another example of offering trinkets so old stock Canadians can feel like something was done that doesn't offend their sensibilities.
I didn’t say anything about residential schools. The subject was renaming streets, etc.
Most people who live in these cities, let alone those on First Nations, have no idea who these places were named after in the first place. These kind of symbolic gestures don’t move the needle an inch when it comes to real-world outcomes. They’re nothing more than a way for the fraction of the population who live and breathe culture wars to keep score.
It's pretty dismissive to not acknowledge that it is indigenous people asking for these changes, not people "who live and breathe culture wars". To not be able to listen to what they are saying, and acknowledge that ya, these references can continue to perpetuate mental harm, and to suggest they'd rather have a $20 gift card is all pretty dismissive stuff.
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The letter, signed by 18 professors and researchers, calls for “removing the face and name of a symbol of oppression, violence, and pain.”
It also lends support to a movement launched by Indigenous students at Ryerson last month to refer to Ryerson publicly as X University, to avoid repeating a name that the students described as a symbol of cultural genocide.
It's pretty dismissive to not acknowledge that it is indigenous people asking for these changes, not people "who live and breathe culture wars". To not be able to listen to what they are saying, and acknowledge that ya, these references can continue to perpetuate mental harm, and to suggest they'd rather have a $20 gift card is all pretty dismissive stuff.
In my experience, Indigenous professors, researchers, and student activists are about as representative of the beliefs of average Indigenous Canadians as their non-Indigenous counterparts are.
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