Treliving needs to start feeling the heat

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's the one who chose to roll the dice.

I agree. Treliving should have insisted thst protection be placed on the pick on the chance it is a lotto pick. Islanders did that when they traded for Vanek and they avoided giving up the 5th pick in the draft and went on to have a playoff season in 2014 when they gave up the pick.

Flames likely should have protected themselves. We will know more in 5 months.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Trading away an uncertain asset is rolling the dice. Trading our first round draft pick (and two more draft picks) for Hamonic isn't far off from McPhee trading Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat. You're rolling the dice that the uncertain asset lacks value.

Yes - lets compare a trade that may end up being bad with the worst trade of recent years. Hurts your case by going to such hyperbole.

[Kybb79]

Trevling needs to start drafting some talent with size and grit, Im tired of small soft players.

[Barca]

If that pick the Isles got for Hamonic turns into Zadina/Svechnikov or even Dahlin does he get fired immediately?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree. Treliving should have insisted thst protection be placed on the pick on the chance it is a lotto pick. Islanders did that when they traded for Vanek and they avoided giving up the 5th pick in the draft and went on to have a playoff season in 2014 when they gave up the pick.

Flames likely should have protected themselves. We will know more in 5 months.

Apologies can you explain this further please. What do you mean the Flames could have protected themselves in the Hamonic trade? Against what and how? Thanks

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Apologies can you explain this further please. What do you mean the Flames could have protected themselves in the Hamonic trade? Against what and how? Thanks

Lottery protected means the draft pick is deferred to the year after in the event the team (flames) don't make the playoffs (rendering the pick a lottery puck).

[Barca]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Lottery protected means the draft pick is deferred to the year after in the event the team (flames) don't make the playoffs (rendering the pick a lottery puck).

if it's protected does that mean the Islanders get the 2019 1st instead?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Apologies can you explain this further please. What do you mean the Flames could have protected themselves in the Hamonic trade? Against what and how? Thanks

Conditions placed on picks to protect a team from losing key draft picks in SNAFU scenarios.

Such as:

Top 3 protection (Team wins a lottery)
Top 10 Protection (Team finishes bottom 10)
Top 16 Protection (Team Misses Playoffs)

In scenarios like this, the picks are deferred to later years.

It's how you avoid end up trading both Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton away for just Phil Kessel. But this management from the GM right up to our POHO is too arrogant to value the potential of first round draft picks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Or they asked for it to be protected and NYI wouldn’t do it
You seem to hold this organization in a great deal of disdain. I’m always puzzled when fans root for an organization that they seem to dislike

[Backlunds_socks]

Worst part is tre thought we’d be there. He messed up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Or they asked for it to be protected and NYI wouldn’t do it
You seem to hold this organization in a great deal of disdain. I’m always puzzled when fans root for an organization that they seem to dislike

Of course Calgary suggested it. The Islanders obviously said “no” and Calgary likely didn’t press the issue.

But to fire Treliving for the sole reason of it becoming a top 10 pick is senseless if you would otherwise keep him.


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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Trading away an uncertain asset is rolling the dice. Trading our first round draft pick (and two more draft picks) for Hamonic isn't far off from McPhee trading Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat. You're rolling the dice that the uncertain asset lacks value.

Not even close. If you want a better example look at the Griffin Reinhart trade. Let's wait more than half a season before judging this trade.

[the2bears]

You have to really hate Treliving to assume he didn't protect that pick *on purpose*. To actually assign hubris of such a magnitude to him, that he purposefully left it unasked? As The Cobra said, of course he asked for that.

[Vinny01]

Treliving described the Hamonic deal as an intense grind with Snow over several hours and days. No doubt he likely tried to protect the pick but could t get it done. That could result in the ultimate price for Hamonic to be extremely steep. Having said that perhaps the Flames are the best team in the second half, win the cup, while giving up the 31st + 62nd pick and Hamonic is a warrior all playoff?

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving described the Hamonic deal as an intense grind with Snow over several hours and days. No doubt he likely tried to protect the pick but could t get it done. That could result in the ultimate price for Hamonic to be extremely steep. Having said that perhaps the Flames are the best team in the second half, win the cup, while giving up the 31st + 62nd pick and Hamonic is a warrior all playoff?

End result th Flames will most probably lose the trade, while the islanders gain a lottery pick.

Hmmmmm

[Doc Hudson]

There is so much ridiculous in this thread. My seven year old overreacts less!

(that might also be ridiculous)

GMs always feel the heat, so do coaches, to say they need to start feeling it when the team is under performing is divorced from the reality of being a professional. So is cockamamie like "they don't value a number 1 pick" and many other basically untrue facts. I try to give every thread the benefit of the doubt, but we are in another period of hyper BS and this thread epitomizes that.

[Strange Brew]

You judge the trade by what was agreed, not what was asked.

[bubbsy]

Tough time for the flames management. This thread and the 'fire Gulutzan' one, and now the team is scraping for their playoff lives after the break with back to back in sj then Anh.

Serves them right for so many complete no shows in so many home games, including the one prior to the break, of course.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

End result th Flames will most probably lose the trade, while the islanders gain a lottery pick.

Hmmmmm

How can you be so certain the flames lose this trade?


Hamonic has averaged
0.26
0.46
0.29
0.29
0.28
points per year over his previous 5 years in New York (goes up if you go back further).

He is only 27 and big in the community and with charity.

Under GG he is a 0.15 pt per game player. I would not let your visual of him in a flames uniform overshadow what he has done throughout his career and the player he could be.

How many of our second round picks have gone on to be difference makers? How often does a bottom 10 pick in the first round become a big difference maker in 3 years time?

The flames are underperforming and everyone has their own reasons why. Fact is, nobody expected the flames to be where they are and oddsmakers everywhere had Calgary in the playoffs. Tre made a solid trade where very little could go wrong. That small % of what could go wrong seems to be going wrong right now but there is still lots of time to fix it.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

How can you be so certain the flames lose this trade?


Hamonic has averaged
0.26
0.46
0.29
0.29
0.28
points per year over his previous 5 years in New York (goes up if you go back further).

He is only 27 and big in the community and with charity.

Under GG he is a 0.15 pt per game player. I would not let your visual of him in a flames uniform overshadow what he has done throughout his career and the player he could be.

How many of our second round picks have gone on to be difference makers? How often does a bottom 10 pick in the first round become a big difference maker in 3 years time?

The flames are underperforming and everyone has their own reasons why. Fact is, nobody expected the flames to be where they are and oddsmakers everywhere had Calgary in the playoffs. Tre made a solid trade where very little could go wrong. That small % of what could go wrong seems to be going wrong right now but there is still lots of time to fix it.

I don't care if he puts up another point. I just want him to step up and start looking like the good defensively, physical, mean SOB that he was sold as.