[News] New Arena - Plan B - Victoria Park

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Moving the team is not a credible threat for about 10-20 very good reasons. Use your critical faculties.

How about how most of the owners could sell for 10X their original investment and not have to deal with this anymore.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you though

[Tinordi]

If Calgary's about to collapse then one of the worst things you could do is waste money subsidizing an arena. The modern day equivalent of carving more of those stupid heads on Easter island.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

How about how most of the owners could sell for 10X their original investment and not have to deal with this anymore.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you though

You can't have it both ways, if the flames need a new arena then why would the business be worth what you're saying? Either the flames are breaching Carolinian levels of insolvency which would be the only credible threat of relocation, or they have a very valuable business with its current capital structure.

[JBR]

The back and forth public bickering between the Flames and City Hall has become embarrassing.

Nobody is moving. A deal will be made (good, ok, or bad). Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Both sides need to grow up, act like leaders, work it out and announce something.

Give me my renderings.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

Sorry if posted already:

"Brian Burke runs Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames and he and many Calgarians have strong views about this topic. However, he is not our spokesperson regarding a new events centre for our city. We remain committed to our dialogue with the City and very optimistic we will get to a positive conclusion. We admire everyone's enthusiasm on this subject."


- Ken King, CSEC President & CEO

The funny thing about this statement is that a few weeks ago King himself threatened to move the Flames if they didn't get public funding for an arena.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Love

If it really did happen and the Flames ended up relocating to QC, the Coyotes would be on their way to Calgary in a fraction of a second lol.

This basically sums it up.

If the League actually allowed the Flames to move to whereverthehellever we would have another NHL team skating in the 'Dome before the seats were cold.

We have money, a market and facilities. There are places that have done a helluva lot more with less.

Moving the team is not an option. Not on the table.

Its an embarrassingly obvious empty threat and they should stop brandishing it like a sword. Its a foam sword at best.

They dont even have the authority to make a threat like that.

Its embarrassing.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If Calgary's about to collapse then one of the worst things you could do is waste money subsidizing an arena. The modern day equivalent of carving more of those stupid heads on Easter island.

I completely agree. Another way to think about this is it may also be a harbringer of a coming collapse. Willingness to fund large scale infrastructure programs is a good indicator of the health of the economy and the outlook of the body politick. Funny how that can be used both ways.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

You can't have it both ways, if the flames need a new arena then why would the business be worth what you're saying? Either the flames are breaching Carolinian levels of insolvency which would be the only credible threat of relocation, or they have a very valuable business with its current capital structure.

It has worth because it's a 1/31 share of the NHL. They're not losing money hand over fist but they could decide to forego all the headaches that come with owning a team and realize their tidy capital appreciations. I won't fault them for that, any of us would do the same.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It has worth because it's a 1/31 share of the NHL. They're not losing money hand over fist but they could decide to forego all the headaches that come with owning a team and realize their tidy capital appreciations. I won't fault them for that, any of us would do the same.

Sure. But in order to do that you have to have a buyer.

Maybe the City should buy the team!! Then they'd have a reason to build the arena! And Nenshi could coach!

Could you imagine a Government Owned NHL team?

Oh man.....the Union Dues alone would be worth it!

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I guarantee you Burke is the type of guy that unless something directly effects him he wouldn't give two ####a about it. He only has great support for the LGBT community because his son Brendan was gay. He probably would never even support it if Brendan wasn't.

what a terrible post, and completely untrue.
Charity is something that he constantly has talked about being a pillar of this team and is non-negotiable for the players. There are countless stories of his charity work and most do not or have not directly effected him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/e...uotes-charity/

Tales of Burke’s generosity are abundant; he’s as loose with the wallet as he is with his neckties.

An employee of MLSE told me that at one team-supported silent auction, few players or corporate bigwigs had bothered to bid on anything. Without making a show, Burke quietly grabbed a pen, walked the lineup of bid items – signed jerseys, framed photos of players he hired, other memorabilia he had no use for – and raised the price of everything himself.

“If you do charity work for the right reason, people don’t know about it,” Burke said during his speech at Thursday’s fund-raising dinner.

“You use position and title to generate interest. You bid on an auction item until some cheap bastard drops out at five grand, and you get stuck on a fishing trip with Eric Lindros.”

http://thehockeywriters.com/brian-bu...r-off-the-ice/

What was even more impressive was his charity work. I was told by an former Maple Leaf player that Brian Burke did ten times the appearances of any player on his teams. He also mentioned that only ten percent of Burke’s appearances were even picked up by the media. Everybody saw Brian sleep outside to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars, and his contributions to charitable causes inside Toronto. What is not seen is the countless hospital visits, the school visits to discuss homophobia and bullying, and the fundraising he does for charities to increase donations. The reason those are never released is because that is the way Brian Burke does things. He doesn’t need recognition as an incentive to be a good human being. He understood the power he had as a figurehead of the Maple Leafs and used it to the city’s advantage, and not his own.

[Boreal]

Burke also purchased & gifted one of the horses that police ride through the parks in Toronto. If you ever come across one they have their own trading cards. I got one for my 2 year old & this was mentioned on the back of the card.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If Calgary's about to collapse then one of the worst things you could do is waste money subsidizing an arena. The modern day equivalent of carving more of those stupid heads on Easter island.

Forget QC, send Nemshi, King and Burke to Easter Island. Three #######s wound up on a deserted island......

We need new people doing the work here for both sides.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Forget QC, send Nemshi, King and Burke to Easter Island. Three #######s wound up on a deserted island......

We need new people doing the work here for both sides.

Only one side is embarrassing themselves, and it's not the elected officials.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Only one side is embarrassing themselves, and it's not the elected officials.

They are all taking turns in this debacle. This stuff should be taking place behind closed doors and not in the public. Period.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

what a terrible post, and completely untrue.
Charity is something that he constantly has talked about being a pillar of this team and is non-negotiable for the players. There are countless stories of his charity work and most do not or have not directly effected him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/e...uotes-charity/



http://thehockeywriters.com/brian-bu...r-off-the-ice/

Nobody has ever denied that Burke is highly opinionated, has a big mouth, and can be a blowhard, but you won't find a more fiercely loyal or generous person in NHL circles.

[ComixZone]

Those who think the NHL would allow another team relocate to play in the Saddledome are out of their minds.

If the Flames were to leave (won't happen, public funding will come, and should come), the NHL would require a new building to even begin to contemplate returning to Calgary and even then it's likely a 20 year absence. Oh, and who do you think would pay for the new arena?

No one is going to come into a city like Calgary and privately fund an arena. It won't happen, it's bad business when you look at in a silo - and even worse when you realize there are other cities willing to contribute to arena projects in numerous places around North America.

[Corral]

I don't know why the Flames think they can win the public relations battle on this. A very very large majority of Calgarians - to whom councillors are accountable this coming Fall - cannot afford much when it comes to the Flames. You can tell me all you like about economic spinoffs etc, but when I think you are selling an overpriced service - your threats fall on deaf ears.

It would be bad for the Flames if the arena issue becomes an election item this Fall - but it appears we are heading down that path - and the likely result is a new arena on the Stampede grounds on terms the City can live with.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Those who think the NHL would allow another team relocate to play in the Saddledome are out of their minds.

If the Flames were to leave (won't happen, public funding will come, and should come), the NHL would require a new building to even begin to contemplate returning to Calgary and even then it's likely a 20 year absence. Oh, and who do you think would pay for the new arena?

Completely Incorrect.

New building, Old Building, doesnt matter.

We are one of the Top 10 Franchises in the League in terms of Revenues, there is no way we are without a team for any discernible period of time. Not a chance.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Locke

Completely Incorrect.



New building, Old Building, doesnt matter.



We are one of the Top 10 Franchises in the League in terms of Revenues, there is no way we are without a team for any discernible period of time. Not a chance.

Who's paying for the new arena if the Flames do leave? There's zero chance the NHL allows the Flames to relocate only to put another team back in the Saddledome.

As a side note, do you have he financials from the 2015/2016 or the most recent 2016/2017 seasons that shows they are a top 10 team? I'd actually be interested in reading those numbers for comparisons sake.

[heep223]

that poll is awkward af