On-going Calgarians hit by trains thread

[bigtmac19]

Utterly devastating.

[REDVAN]

[Northendzone]

horrible story for everyone involved including the witnesses

[GirlySports]

[OldDutch]

Awful and totally preventable. Just tragic in every way.

RIP to that little girl.

[Erick Estrada]

This is why a 6 year old should be walked to school. If your job gets in the way then you need to pay someone on the block also with kids going to school to walk your child. This is a senseless loss that should have been avoided.

[Minnie]

Oh here we go...

Watched the chopper footage of the desperate rush to the ACH. Poor child, and her family, oh man, utterly devastating.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is why a 6 year old should be walked to school. If your job gets in the way then you need to pay someone on the block also with kids going to school to walk your child.

Some folks feel 6 year olds are old enough.

Edit: Not Me

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Some folks feel 6 year olds are old enough.

Folks that like to roll the dice on the welfare of their kids? There's just so much things that can go wrong it's just not good parenting IMO.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Some folks feel 6 year olds are old enough.

Edit: Not Me

Not only that, but she was 10 according to reports.

[You Need a Thneed]

I think the articles are saying she was 10 years old now.

[Peanut]

I’m not going to comment on the parenting decisions because we really don’t know anything about the situation.

I do, however, really wish that our c-train system did not have so many at-grade crossings. It’s just so dangerous. The c-trains hit and kill adults in accidents every year (not just suicides, but distracted walking too), so it’s just that much more dangerous for little kids. Really feel awful for everyone impacted by this incident today.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I think the articles are saying she was 10 years old now.

That's a big difference. There's typically enough advance notice that even if she was on the tracks she should have been able to get off in time even if she went back. I wonder if she had headphones on or something. Horrible thing to happen regardless.

[Hockeyguy15]

I don't feel the need to kick the parents while they are down regardless of my thoughts on their parenting style.

Poor kid, sad for everyone involved.

[Wormius]

I think the way the Ctrains run is a contributor. Trains, at least downtown, don't approach lights with much caution, they're usually going at a good speed when the light transitions from red to green.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I think the articles are saying she was 10 years old now.

Thanks and this makes me reflect.

1. Media often gets facts wrong. I am going to be interested to see the true facts come out.
2. 10 year old does change things on ability to travel to school alone in my view.
3. All acidents are preventable, and I hope there is a lesson here on what can be done better to avoid happening again.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I think the way the Ctrains run is a contributor. Trains, at least downtown, don't approach lights with much caution, they're usually going at a good speed when the light transitions from red to green.

What would you consider to be an appropriate speed for the LRT through downtown and how does that compare to their current limit?

Also, has there ever been a pedestrian-train collision where the LRT was at fault and if so, was the speed of the train determined to be a factor?

Originally Posted by OldDutch

3. All acidents are preventable, and I hope there is a lesson here on what can be done better to avoid happening again.

Pedestrian-train collisions are not accidents. They are overwhelmingly due to a pedestrian making the conscious decision to either ignore or defeat methods in place to prevent them from happening. In this case it would appear that it was someone who did not know how to cross the tracks properly.

[CliffFletcher]

Can we go even an hour after these accidents without people pointing fingers and casting blame? There's not always a villain in tragic incidents. Bad things happen for no reason.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

What would you consider to be an appropriate speed for the LRT through downtown and how does that compare to their current limit?

Also, has there ever been a pedestrian-train collision where the LRT was at fault and if so, was the speed of the train determined to be a factor?

I don't have an answer. It's just an observation that along the 7th Ave corridor that trains are going at a pretty good clip by the time they approach crossings, as if they are fully expecting the light to change to green for them. If a pedestrian felt like they wanted to cross on the amber, and hesitated or something as the light turned red, a train would have no time to stop. Sure its the pedestrian at fault, it's just trains could maybe travel at a speed where braking could be performed to prevent hitting somebody.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

What would you consider to be an appropriate speed for the LRT through downtown and how does that compare to their current limit?

Also, has there ever been a pedestrian-train collision where the LRT was at fault and if so, was the speed of the train determined to be a factor?



Pedestrian-train collisions are not accidents. They are overwhelming due to a pedestrian making the conscious decision to either ignore or defeat methods in place to prevent them from happening. In this case it would appear that it was someone who did not know how to cross the tracks properly.

The fault question troubles me because an accident is exactly what it is an accident. A human being is faulty, when designing systems that humans interface with you have to account that humans aren’t reliable actors.

So we can say it wasn’t the trains fault and the human shouldn’t have been there but that isn’t the right question to ask. It’s are there things that can be changed in the design that don’t affect function that could reduce risk of incidents.