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Old 01-24-2025, 12:25 PM   #61
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Actually we know exactly what was negotiated, it’s the product we see before us. The omission of my points in the contracts Bettman has negotiated I feel has worsened the fan experience and that’s why I feel he has done a poor job for the consumers of his product.

Both sides of course have agency in this, but this thread is about Bettman and not those other sides, hence the discussion being focused on him. That’s called discussing the topic at hand.
You are deliberately ignoring the point, so there's no further discussion to be had.
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Old 01-24-2025, 12:33 PM   #62
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Progressive in what ways? What else needs to change?
I am in favor of expanded playoffs which he is opposed to. I'm hoping that changes soon.

And I would strongly advocate for a complete ban on fighting.

Beyond that though - what else are we talking about?
The end of game management and someone who will look at the officiating issue and not say they are the best in pro sports and nothing to see here. That is my only issue with Bettman.
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I suppose you fully research every single person you post about in terms of their cultural and religious background? Furthermore, why would I care if he’s Jewish? When I gave context to the gif, his religion had no bearing on the message. This is you being offended over nothing, and I won’t post on it anymore but that’s gotta be a ####ty way to go through life. You do you man.
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You are deliberately ignoring the point, so there's no further discussion to be had.
No im pretty sure I got it nailed down. Bettman didn’t focus on the issues that matter to me as a consumer, that means he has done poorly in my view. That should be easy to understand. Also why are you surprised people are talking about Bettman in a thread about him? If you’d like we can talk about Jankowski instead.
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Old 01-24-2025, 12:36 PM   #65
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The end of game management and someone who will look at the officiating issue and not say they are the best in pro sports and nothing to see here. That is my only issue with Bettman.
Game management is something referees are taught from day 1.

It’s not a Bettman thing. It’s a hockey thing. It’s done to prevent fights at the end of games, not in the NHL, but in every other context that has no spotlight.
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Old 01-24-2025, 12:39 PM   #66
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We're all asking the wrong questions here.

Often exiting executives get Trophies named after them.

What shall the 'Bettman Trophy' be?

I'm thinking 'Most Financially Prudent' maybe the guy that never chips in for team dinners?
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What was the photo? Must have been pretty bad. It's gone now.
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We're all asking the wrong questions here.

Often exiting executives get Trophies named after them.

What shall the 'Bettman Trophy' be?

I'm thinking 'Most Financially Prudent' maybe the guy that never chips in for team dinners?
The trophy needs to be a bobblehead regardless
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Can someone explain to me where the visceral hate for Bettman comes from?

I think a lot of the hate, for those of us old enough to remember, comes from the 90's. We went from an era where Canadian teams dominated (Habs, Oilers, Flames) to an era where Canadian teams could no longer be competitive, thanks to Bettman doing a really good job of growing the game in the U.S., and a really weak Canadian dollar. Quebec and Winnipeg lost their teams and Calgary and Edmonton almost lost theirs. Calgary, Edmonton and Ottawa basically became farm teams for the larger markets for 10 years.



Was this all Bettman's fault? No. Did he do a good job fixing it in the 2000's? Yes. But once you hate someone for that long, it's hard to switch it off. Personally, when I look at his career as a whole, I think he has done an outstanding job.
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The trophy needs to be a bobblehead regardless
Yes. Absolutely.

I just...I'm struggling to think about what it should be for...how to win it...
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Most / Best Double Speak in post game interviews as voted by the press?
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They'll probably pick some hotshot lawyer in the entertainment business..
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Bettman has overseen a tremendous rise in franchise values and for that he will be lauded. Hard to know how much credit to give him since while that wealth creation for the owners is impressive, it lags the other pro sports on a percentage basis. The continued explosion of pro sports is a classic case of a rising tide lifting all boats.

I’m not sure he is going to be studied in business schools frankly, that’s giving him too much credit. But he didn’t screw it up and sometimes that is not all you need to in business to be successful.
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When he first came in, Wpg and Que both relocated to the states, and he moved the NHL head offices from Toronto to NY.

At that time, he was a little guy with a heavy NY accent, and broadly across Canada he was viewed as an "American stealing our game!" He never played, had come from the NBA, and much of the NHL stewardship was seen as needing to be in the hands of former players, not business types.

There were labor disputes for the first time IIRC, and entire seasons were lost. Many people sided with the players initially against the greedy owners. They wanted to play! Our national culture was being lost due to these NY people making decisions!

Finally - it didn't seem to bother him in the slightest that he was disliked. Indeed - he seemed to relish in it.

"We have a trade to announce."

BOOOOO!!

"You're gonna wanna hear this!"

You just got to love it. The guy came in, broke rules, and made huge strides for the NHL, the owners, and the players - even against their own wishes in a lot of cases.

Why was the NHL in Phoenix? What was it in Atlanta? Simple. 7th and 12th largest markets in the US.

Not because he hated Canada. Because he LOVED making the NHL money.
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no officiating accountability.
This is true for all major sports. Fans are not happy with the refs in any of them.

NFL - fans are upset every game about penalties.
NBA - fans are upset every game about fouls.
MLB - fans are upset every game about balls and strikes.

All those games require subjectivity and the human element. As long as the human element remains, there will be no "accountability".
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No im pretty sure I got it nailed down. Bettman didn’t focus on the issues that matter to me as a consumer, that means he has done poorly in my view. That should be easy to understand. Also why are you surprised people are talking about Bettman in a thread about him? If you’d like we can talk about Jankowski instead.
You don't know that he didn't focus on those issues versus pushing them but ultimately obtaining concessions instead on other issues equally important to you. I have a pretty hard time beleiving the NCAA "loophole" was heavy on your mind at the time of the last CBA talks anyway.
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Ahhhhh! We can make fun of people's tremors !!!!!! The outrage police should be showing up shortly.
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You don't know that he didn't focus on those issues versus pushing them but ultimately obtaining concessions instead on other issues equally important to you. I have a pretty hard time beleiving the NCAA "loophole" was heavy on your mind at the time of the last CBA talks anyway.
What issues might those be that are equally important? Kinda feels like you’re trying to put words in my mouth right now instead of just taking my comments at face value.
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What issues might those be that are equally important? Kinda feels like you’re trying to put words in my mouth right now instead of just taking my comments at face value.
Who knows? That's the point. You say he failed to negotiate about them. I say it's equally possible he negotiated about them and made other, better choices in the give and take.
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