Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[dino7c]

Weegar is bargain...Rhett doesn't have a clue, just another of his terrible takes to get ears/eyeballs

Calgary is a very different market

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not like Rhett mailed it in after getting a dumb contract himself and would come to camp out of shape.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I also highly disagree that we overpaid for Weegar, that's an insane assertion to me, I was shocked in a good way when that contract was announced. Especially with what quality defensemen are going for these days.

Yes Pinder and Seravalli pushed back on that. Rhett doesn't think he's a #2. That's the one part of his rant that I think is just incorrect but the rest is arguable

[Vinny01]

Flames had little choice with Huberdeau and Weegar unless they wanted to take the risk. They literally did that with Gaudreau last year and here we are. Johnny was looking to sign and they couldn’t make a deal so they go into the season and shelve the talks. Johnny has a great year and just can’t resist seeing what the market is and decides to move on. You trade your other superstar because he won’t sign with you and by far the best deal is to get another superstar winger back and a top 4Dman albeit these guys are older than Chucky. The team is all in to compete so flipping these guys at the deadline doesn’t make sense unless the team is completely failing. Now these players are close to free agency and if they have a great year they increase their value and if they have bad years they may want to move on. The fanbase is losing their minds because we see more star players walk for nothing.

When the Gaudreau numbers leaked there was no way you were signing Huberdeau for less considering he is coming off 4 straight seasons over ppg and matched the point totals Johnny just had. Weegar stated before camp that a deal needed to be done before the season or they wouldn’t negotiate during. There is no doubt these deals can look bad soon but at the same point I think Treliving did what he had to do to quiet the noise about people not wanting to stay in Calgary. Having Huberdeau locked up probably helped convince Kadri to come here as well

[SuperMatt18]

Rhett is getting fooled by points to determine the value of a d-man. Honestly he barely watched the games when he was in Calgary - doubt he's been watching the late starts when he's in Buffalo.

At 5v5 Weegar is:

Corsi: 59.6%
Goals For: 64.7% (11 GF / 6 GA)
xGF: 61.7% (13 GF / 8 GA - 1st on the team)

Those are all pretty elite numbers for a guy who's faced pretty tough competition this year and has not been sheltered at all.

Only 50 NHL d-men have more than 4 points at 5v5...so since he's not getting any PP time you wouldn't expect him to have more than the 4 points he has.

Not sure it would really make a difference on his effectiveness if he had 4 points or 7 points - he contributing to tilting the ice and score in the right direction.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I respect the tough approach to star players and not being afraid to play hardball and walk away, but with that opinion you certainly need to factor in the market you're talking about.

If places like Calgary play hardball with too many star players, you'll just never have star players. We need to understand that this isn't Florida or California or a good chunk of the US to be honest. We're already at a huge disadvantage in attracting and retaining talent.

Bang on.
Canadian teams are on a lot of no trade lists. The reasons are many: too much scrutiny, the weather, covid restrictions, tax (perceived or real). So when you have top end players that WANT to be here, you have to really think about not re-signing them.

How impressive is that Yzerman was able to convince players to stay to play in Florida? Wow!

[Yeah_Baby]

PSA: The first hour of the pod is straight fire today.

[Mista_Incognito]

Rhett had a little spaz, but he is right.

Huberdeau is not a fit, he's getting paid to be a point producer and our offence is garbage.

Another 8 years of this for 10.5 million a year. Its not quite as bad as James Neil vibes but they are similar.

[Toonage]

Neal started pouting on the plane ride back from China lol. Got so bad they told him to go home while they tried to work out a deal and even cleaned out his stall in the locker room (I recall Derek Wills reporting that Neal and his stuff had pretty much vanished). Neal was supposedly injured around that time.

Anyhow, personally I don't think this is that same situation at all. Huberdeau has shown he cares, has shown a willingness to do whats asked of him.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by saillias

Warrener with an interesting debate with Seravalli today, which was centered around a point he's been making since the show debuted. He doesn't think the Flames needed to sign Huberdeau and Weegar before the season began, thinks too many GMs sign guys out of desperation and fear, admires GMs like Yzerman and Sakic who have been more ruthless and willing to hold their ground. Thinks we overpaid for both. Likens it to Chicago signing Seabrook. Interesting contrarian viewpoint.

I think he makes an interesting point.

If star players really don’t want to play in Canada, let market forces drive their salaries down by shrinking their market nearly 25%.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mista_Incognito

Rhett had a little spaz, but he is right.

Huberdeau is not a fit, he's getting paid to be a point producer and our offence is garbage.

Another 8 years of this for 10.5 million a year. Its not quite as bad as James Neil vibes but they are similar.

wtf, still way too early for this kind of talk and he's been nursing injuries on top of adjusting to a new team , system and line mates

also 1G 1A in 2 games since returning .. what do people expect exactly . if any one scouted him in the summer they would know he doesn't carry the puck like gaudreau , that isn't his game

but he brings a lot and will bring a lot . this market is just insufferably impatient

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

wtf, still way too early for this kind of talk and he's been nursing injuries on top of adjusting to a new team , system and line mates

also 1G 1A in 2 games since returning .. what do people expect exactly . if any one scouted him in the summer they would know he doesn't carry the puck like gaudreau , that isn't his game

but he brings a lot and will bring a lot . this market is just insufferably impatient

Yep. Whats another 30 years anyways.

[Madman]

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[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames had little choice with Huberdeau and Weegar unless they wanted to take the risk. They literally did that with Gaudreau last year and here we are. Johnny was looking to sign and they couldn’t make a deal so they go into the season and shelve the talks. Johnny has a great year and just can’t resist seeing what the market is and decides to move on. You trade your other superstar because he won’t sign with you and by far the best deal is to get another superstar winger back and a top 4Dman albeit these guys are older than Chucky. The team is all in to compete so flipping these guys at the deadline doesn’t make sense unless the team is completely failing. Now these players are close to free agency and if they have a great year they increase their value and if they have bad years they may want to move on. The fanbase is losing their minds because we see more star players walk for nothing.

When the Gaudreau numbers leaked there was no way you were signing Huberdeau for less considering he is coming off 4 straight seasons over ppg and matched the point totals Johnny just had. Weegar stated before camp that a deal needed to be done before the season or they wouldn’t negotiate during. There is no doubt these deals can look bad soon but at the same point I think Treliving did what he had to do to quiet the noise about people not wanting to stay in Calgary. Having Huberdeau locked up probably helped convince Kadri to come here as well

Yeah exactly. Like Calgary literally just got burned by waiting all year to sign Gaudreau, of course they're not going to want to do that again. I don't think Rhett was taking that part of it into account. Agreed about Huberdeau wanting the Gaudreau deal too once it was public. Now whether he ends up being worth that is another matter...but I totally get why it went down that way.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mista_Incognito

Rhett had a little spaz, but he is right.

Huberdeau is not a fit, he's getting paid to be a point producer and our offence is garbage.

Another 8 years of this for 10.5 million a year. Its not quite as bad as James Neil vibes but they are similar.

16 games

[CroFlames]

Going back to the Conny interview, I think he put to bed the ROR offer sheet debate. He said they called league lawyers beforehand and made sure everything was kosher before tendering the offer.

By the letter of the law, yes he would have needed to clear reentry waivers. However, the language was unclear about lockouts, and the NHL lawyer gave them the all-clear before making the offer. I think it was much ado about nothing.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

wtf, still way too early for this kind of talk and he's been nursing injuries on top of adjusting to a new team , system and line mates

also 1G 1A in 2 games since returning .. what do people expect exactly . if any one scouted him in the summer they would know he doesn't carry the puck like gaudreau , that isn't his game

but he brings a lot and will bring a lot . this market is just insufferably impatient

Yeah Rhett is out to lunch here.

Huberdeau has been their best forward the last two games probably, and Sutter probably agrees since he leads the team in ice time at 5v5 over the last two games (bigger problem being Lewis is second)

In those two games at 5v5 among forwards:

TOI: 28:36 (1st)
Corsi: 67.9% (1st)
Scoring Chances: 72.0% (1st)
High Danger: 85.7% (1st)
XGF: 73.8% (1st)

I’ll add they were given offensive high ground in those games with o-zone starts but they made the most of it.

Honestly I really like Huberdeau and Backlund together…which is intriguing…think they just need a better finisher than Lewis on the other side.

[rohara66]

Huby, Backlund and Mang!


Make it so.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

16 games

13 for JH

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Huby, Backlund and Mang!


Make it so.

Yeah that could work I think .

Ruzicka- Lindholm - Toffoli
Dube - Kadri - Coleman
Huberdeau - Backlund - Mangiapane

Those are three interesting lines IMO