2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Doughty is the best out of those guys, even though I think Andersson is the worst of our guys.

I think Doughty is overrated. I'd have put those guys at Hedman, Doughty, Letang, Ekholm.

However, I don't see Hanifin at quite getting to a Hedman ceiling, mainly because he's not quite the physical specimen that Hedman is.

I do think that Hanifin and Valimaki have the biggest toolboxes of the four kids.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I hope so. Winnipeg and Edmonton are the last places Panarin will want to be. If he ends up with the Jets it would likely be a massively wasted acquisition.

Yup.
I know that the Jets need to start really pushing for the cup, but to give up significant assets for a player that they know they can't sign seems crazy.

[jg13]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1098675005741772800/

[Vansmack]

What is the maximum % a team can retain of a traded player?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by vansmack

what is the maximum % a team can retain of a traded player?

50%

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Yup.
I know that the Jets need to start really pushing for the cup, but to give up significant assets for a player that they know they can't sign seems crazy.

Speaking of the Jets, what the hell has happened to Patrik Laine?! He hasn't scored a goal in 15 games; and has only 4 goals, 9 assists in the past 36 games after scoring 18 in 12 games in November. -18 on the season. No wonder the Jets are looking to add a forward.

[JurassicTunga12]

Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger, and Pierre LeBrun talking a bit about the Flames and what they could do:

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/how-inv...dition~1617809

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Speaking of the Jets, what the hell has happened to Patrik Laine?! He hasn't scored a goal in 15 games; and has only 4 goals, 9 assists in the past 36 games after scoring 18 in 12 games in November. -18 on the season. No wonder the Jets are looking to add a forward.

Laine's scoring slump is the single biggest problem with the Jets right now. It must be a huge concern heading into the playoffs, but I have to think this is something he will work through at some point.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Doughty is overrated. I'd have put those guys at Hedman, Doughty, Letang, Ekholm.

However, I don't see Hanifin at quite getting to a Hedman ceiling, mainly because he's not quite the physical specimen that Hedman is.

I do think that Hanifin and Valimaki have the biggest toolboxes of the four kids.

Hedman's a physical specimen but I also think he's overrated. Even when he was winning the Norris trophy he was getting pretty soft usage and a lot of his points were due to a stacked forward group.

Do I think he's great? Yes.
Do I think Doughty's still better? Yes.
Do I think Doughty can be overrated? Yes.

I would probably rank those four guys

Doughty
Hedman
Letang
Ekholm

However if you asked me to rank our guys in terms of who I think will be the best NHLers from age 25-32 (their "prime"), it would be Kylington, Valimaki, Hanifin, Andersson. Which is virtually a reverse order.

Overall, I would say that none of these guys, whether it's in the area of hockey sense or tools or even polish, are clearly above the others, not even Hanifin. Perceptions of them seem to vary for reasons that are presently out of their individual control (i.e. Kylington struggled defensively as a 17 year old therefore has limited defensive upside, Andersson has played the most top 4 of the rookies due to Hamonic's injuries therefore he's ready to play top pairing on a cup contender, Hanifin has 300 games of experience and is already playing top four therefore da da da, Valimaki made the team out of camp therefore da da da). Seems a lot of these arguments are based on how the team is utilizing them, which can be due to a myriad of biases and needs.

Now, that said:

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I agree that he has more to give. I just don't think it is quite as much as the other three. After tomorrow he will have already played 300 NHL games—he is likely closer to what he will be in the long term than any one of Andersson, Kylington or Valimaki. Having said that, I think it is unlikely that any of the three will pass him.

I disagree that Hanifin having the most NHL GP means he's closest to his ceiling. That's a baseless assumption. Was he even close to NHL-ready at 18? No. The Hurricanes were just a bad budget team that wanted their sexy draft pick to play in the NHL before he was ready. An argument could be made that Hanifin should have played in the AHL at ages 18 and 19 at the very least. Even 20 year old Hanifin, while he had a strong first half to his season, wasn't without serious issues that caused Canes fans to strongly question his IQ, progression, upside, and consistency.

I don't have a clue where Hanifin goes from here. I don't put a lot of stock into what he's done in his first 3 seasons because much of this was influenced by factors outside of his control - he wasn't a case of a Rasmus Dahlin or Aaron Ekblad who were way too good to not be in the NHL at age 18. He was just a guy who happened to be in the NHL at age 18. He still has a ton of developing left to go as do the other three guys. Has he probably been the best of the bunch this year? Maybe, I can't say because they're not all being evaluated on a level playing field.

And that's why I'm reticent to either trade a D - there are a LOT of question marks about each of them. The trio of Gio / Brodie / Hamonic have been a huge part of this team's success and I'd prefer the other four to just keep developing in limited roles for the next two years. Cup contenders can afford to lose a player to UFA without getting an asset back.

I also think that the team presently needs Andersson due to certain aspects of his skillset being at a premium after the Hamilton/Fox trade, yet simultaneously I think he's the guy we need to be looking to replace via this year's 1st rounder in the draft - try to find a really high ceiling RHD prospect because I don't fully believe Andersson is a lock to be a top four guy.

[Snapshot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Laine's scoring slump is the single biggest problem with the Jets right now. It must be a huge concern heading into the playoffs, but I have to think this is something he will work through at some point.

These two tweets from CapFriendly are pretty telling about Laine's slump and potential salary cap impacts for the Jets and the trade deadline:

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/stat...88048338083842

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/stat...88548114612226

Food for thought:

(1/2) On Nov 29 #NHLJets Patrik Laine scored his 20th & 21st goal of the season, which had him in first place in the league for goals scored.

Since then Laine has scored 4 goals, and currently sits 34th in the league in goals scored.

Why is that important?

(2/2) Anything outside the top 10 means Laine misses out on a $1.8M 'B' bonus.

It also mean that the $1.8M the #NHLJets had earmarked as a possible bonus in Nov, can maybe be used at the trade deadline instead.

$1.8M at the deadline is equal to an $8.37M cap hit at full value.

[Geeoff]

Weird. I wouldn't say Doughty is overrated and yet I definitely rank Hedman above him.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I agree that he has more to give. I just don't think it is quite as much as the other three. After tomorrow he will have already played 300 NHL games—he is likely closer to what he will be in the long term than any one of Andersson, Kylington or Valimaki. Having said that, I think it is unlikely that any of the three will pass him.

Perhaps games in the NHL has very little to do with close one is to achieving their ceiling.

Hanifin not very far off in age from Andersson and Kylington. None of them are close to their ceiling IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Perhaps games in the NHL has very little to do with close one is to achieving their ceiling...

Perhaps, but the game-number threshold does seem to be a measure that most frequently corresponds to future projections of a player. Of course, there are exceptions, but by and large most players show only incremental improvements after having spent several years playing in the NHL.

Who knows why that is the case? Does it have something to do with coaching? Is it because the NHL is not a development league, and thus a place where developmental milestones can be missed?

[Knut]

Something happen !!

[Shazam]

Stone and Ottawa's 2nd to Calgary, Ottawa gets Calgary's 1st.

[Geeoff]

It's obviously not the norm but on the Flames alone, we have Mikael Backlund, Mark Giordano and Elias Lindholm who took big jumps after a bunch of NHL games

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Weird. I wouldn't say Doughty is overrated and yet I definitely rank Hedman above him.

I don't know. I've heard several NHL players talking about Doughty's natural talent to be a few levels above "normal good". I recall someone (don't remember who) saying how no amount of training can match the abilities he has naturally. How he comes from summer break and almost immediately is better then anyone else on ice. This is a very high praise from professionals.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Weird. I wouldn't say Doughty is overrated and yet I definitely rank Hedman above him.

I think he's a top guy, as in top 6 or 7. Just overrated among the elites IMO, since he was always discussed in top three lists. He never impresses me when I see him as much as some others, like Hedman. Maybe I'm just jaded from seeing Johnny and Tkachuk have their way with him.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Stone and Ottawa's 2nd to Calgary, Ottawa gets Calgary's 1st.

So Ottawa trades Stone in order to move up ~5 spots in the draft. Makes sense.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Stone and Ottawa's 2nd to Calgary, Ottawa gets Calgary's 1st.

Ottawa's 2nd might only be 3 or 4 spots down from Calgary's 1st. Getting Stone for dropping down 3 or 4 spots in the draft just seems like a greedy proposition.

That being said, Dorion is possibly dumb enough to do it.