Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

The biggest problem is we have shown the rich & elite that we are okay with them jet hopping across the world to their 15 estates while telling us all how we should not drive as much.

We shouldn't be driving as much, but why are you okay with letting the rich and elite off the hook for jet hopping?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Azure

Ask a random person on the street.

"Where does the plastic go that you recycle. Where do the electronics go that you recycle?"

Most people have no clue.

Where does the cobalt come from in all our battery powered devices, cars, etc?

Nobody cares.

It is all about the appearance of being green.
In the meantime 6 year old kids are mining our cobalt.

I'm no doctor, I don't understand how the body or pharmaceuticals work, but I certainly think healthcare is a good thing.

I get what you're saying but just because people might not know how stuff is recycled doesn't mean that they don't actually care.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It would be greener if adults mined our cobalt.

Mind your own cobalt, I'll mind mine.

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I get what you're saying but just because people might not know how stuff is recycled doesn't mean that they don't actually care.

I would say that most people don't know how the hell things are recycled and for the most part there isn't anything wrong with that. I don't know how open heart surgery is performed either, but there are people that I trust do know how to do it correctly.

I guess this is sort of along the same lines as Sliver's thread on drug addicts. We have entrusted people to do a thing that we understand is meant to be a net benefit to society and we pay for it through taxes, and it is frustrating to learn that it is either not being done to the degree we were led to believe (or at all in some cases), or it is not as effective as we were told it was.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm all for paper based packaging.

But I'm also not naive enough to believe that me recycling plastic products means that it is actually being recycled.

Or that 1st world countries aren't just sending their waste to 3rd world countries.

I won't say that there aren't people that don't truly care about the environment and try to make good choices (buy local produce as an example), but nobody can deny that 1st world countries are very much just taking advantage of 3rd world countries in order to give the appearance of being green.

The entire movement might go down as one of the greatest grifts of the modern century.

100% it has been a huge grift, brought to us by the very same people who sold us the plastic:

https://time.com/6173859/plastic-rec...ig-oil-damage/

and most likely the same people funding the anti-anti-plastic people (it feels wrong to call those people pro-plastic)

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

noted on twitter yesterday that michelle rempel-gardner posted a document on her substack.

Doucment seems to suggest that the govt paid $6.8m to quarantine 15 people at the westin in calgary.

Mind boggling spend. One can only imagine how many times this happens across teh country with other departments

https://michellerempelgarner.substac...medium=reader2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_zH...g3yqEVIrr/view

I imagine these costs are because they kept entire floors empty for the program but the real question is, why were they still keeping this going so far into 2022? Or at least tone it down, don't need all 5 floors if just 2 people are attending.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

We shouldn't be driving as much, but why are you okay with letting the rich and elite off the hook for jet hopping?

I'm a believer in frequent flier taxes that escalate greatly for those who travel all year around seeing it mostly involves the rich and big business.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It would be greener if adults mined our cobalt.

Whats stopping you from picking up a shovel?

I dont have a problem with people advocating that the Jet-Setting Elite should either put their money where their mouth is or promptly STFU.

People like Gore, Suzuki and DiCaprio are raging hypocrites.

Ditto the Politicians that fly all over the world to meet...inexplicably in person...to discuss how the people who dont have Private Jets (yet hilariously are paying for their operation via taxation) should use less Carbon.

And then return home to proselytize to their constituents that 'little things add up.'

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whats stopping you from picking up a shovel?

I’m waiting for the vegan economic elite to go first.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m waiting for the vegan economic elite to go first.

They're still too busy trying to find iron.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620542533163171841

[Ozy_Flame]

What's old is new

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620530789447516160

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620542533163171841

And there is actually a vocal group that wants this team to reorganize the economy.

Before I get attacked should we really do the project success rate for these clowns?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620542533163171841

How is this even possible?

I'm like, legit trying to back calculate what this means / how they managed to spend this much.

This works out to $31,924 per day, every single day, for 10 people. So, each person spent $3,192 every day?

Is that normal? Hotel, per diem... but even then. I have no idea how this happens. First class flights maybe? Just $2000 each per day for strippers? Madness. It's borderline impressive they even managed this.

[driveway]

What they did was calculate the total cost the government paid to have the hotel be a quarantine hotel for the duration of the pandemic (26.8 million), then added on additional expenditures (comissionaires, medical transportation, Red Cross, cleaning services, & repairs) to get a total of 31.3 million. Then they divided by the number of days for which the program ran, and then added up that total for the number of days between April 1 and October 30, then claimed this was what the government spent for specifically those customers.

Is 30 million a lot to spend to turn a hotel into a quarantine location for 2.5 years? ... probably yes? Is it wildly innacurate to claim the government spent 6.8 million on ten people? Also yes. Should you feel bad for giving Yoho the benefit of the doubt? Definitely yes.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by driveway

What they did was calculate the total cost the government paid to have the hotel be a quarantine hotel for the duration of the pandemic (26.8 million), then added on additional expenditures (comissionaires, medical transportation, Red Cross, cleaning services, & repairs) to get a total of 31.3 million. Then they divided by the number of days for which the program ran, and then added up that total for the number of days between April 1 and October 30, then claimed this was what the government spent for specifically those customers.

Is 30 million a lot to spend to turn a hotel into a quarantine location for 2.5 years? ... probably yes? Is it wildly innacurate to claim the government spent 6.8 million on ten people? Also yes. Should you feel bad for giving Yoho the benefit of the doubt? Definitely yes.

Some good oversite if 10 people used it from April to Oct. If that’s how much money was spent during that time frame for those results it is what it is. Justify it to yourself however you want.

Imagine this happened all over Canada. Would love to see the Liberal donations from these hotel owners when the dust all settles.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by driveway

What they did was calculate the total cost the government paid to have the hotel be a quarantine hotel for the duration of the pandemic (26.8 million), then added on additional expenditures (comissionaires, medical transportation, Red Cross, cleaning services, & repairs) to get a total of 31.3 million. Then they divided by the number of days for which the program ran, and then added up that total for the number of days between April 1 and October 30, then claimed this was what the government spent for specifically those customers.

Is 30 million a lot to spend to turn a hotel into a quarantine location for 2.5 years? ... probably yes? Is it wildly innacurate to claim the government spent 6.8 million on ten people? Also yes. Should you feel bad for giving Yoho the benefit of the doubt? Definitely yes.

is it though. As i recall the document showed the spend as $6.8m for a period in which 10 folks hoteled it; however, as mentioned, it seems even the kardashians could not spend that much per day

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

is it though. As i recall the document showed the spend as $6.8m for a period in which 10 folks hoteled it; however, as mentioned, it seems even the kardashians could not spend that much per day

This isn't meant to justify or rationalize the cost of this, but when people see this cost and divide by 10 people, their frame of reference is when they stay in a hotel under normal conditions and that's not what this was. In a quarantine scenario they needed to transport these guests to and from the hotel, pay for a separate area from regular hotel guests, pay the medical personnel who were testing these individuals daily, pay for the security guards to be on site, pay for separate meal prep, etc. etc. It's not surprising that once you need a magnitude of skilled and unskilled labour, specialized equipment, designated space at the hotel, etc. to manage the process the costs pile up. At the end of the day that $6.8 million probably employed 10-15 people for the duration of that time, and bought/rented a lot of equipment on top of the stays of the 10 people.

In that light I wouldn't be attributing this to malice of procurement, but rather the decision to mandatorily quarantine travelers for no practical purpose other than it was good optics after the Christmas of 2020 when it became a big public issue that many Canadian politicians vacationed out of country at a time when travel was not 'recommended.' The government needed to maintain/create the narrative that their travel restrictions/recommendations and their border controls were sound so this theatre in Calgary and in the other three international airports accepting international flights was the cost of that policy.

[Jason14h]

Amazing that many people were able/ forced to go to work everyday during COVID and yet politicians needed to quarantine an entire hotel for months on end for 10 people to be “safe”

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How is this even possible?

I'm like, legit trying to back calculate what this means / how they managed to spend this much.

This works out to $31,924 per day, every single day, for 10 people. So, each person spent $3,192 every day?

Is that normal? Hotel, per diem... but even then. I have no idea how this happens. First class flights maybe? Just $2000 each per day for strippers? Madness. It's borderline impressive they even managed this.

Judging by everything else going on, I wouldn't be surprised if some of this money was being funnelled out to Trudeau's cronies. Realistically it seems to be the only way you could actually spend this type of money on 'hotels.'

A lot like the ArriveCan app.

But remember people, the CPC is the problem here.

[Benched]

I wouldn’t say the CPC is the problem, they’re just not the solution.