Ontario Election thread

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

While probably not what you meant, people who don’t have a lot of wealth or resources are more adversely impacted by social issues than those who do.

Are they? Don't most of our radical social programs emerge from elite universities, from academia and the cossetted children of the affluent? I'd say it's more the opposite. When you don't have to concern yourself with paying rent and feeding a couple kids, you can fret over representation in superhero movies and gender pronouns. Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and all that. University graduates are more socially progressive than the poor and working class.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are they? Don't most of our radical social programs emerge from elite universities, from academia and the cossetted children of the affluent? I'd say it's more the opposite. When you don't have to concern yourself with paying rent and feeding a couple kids, you can fret over representation in superhero movies and gender pronouns. Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and all that. University graduates are more socially progressive than the poor and working class.

Oh sure. I wasn’t really referring to minor fringe issues, but actual social issues that have a huge impact (like welfare or social programs that primarily benefit the less fortunate).

If you’re wealthy, you have the luxury of not having to worry about those things if you don’t want to. People who don’t have that luxury are more likely to be interested in a government willing to spend on programs that will benefit them in large ways, instead of just the government that’ll let them keep an extra percentage point of their paycheque.

I think people forget that social issues aren’t just “unisex bathrooms!!!!”

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think people forget that social issues aren’t just “unisex bathrooms!!!!”

How out of touch is the far-right if they think these are the pressing issues the left is concerned with? Most people I know who are aligned similarly politically with me are much more concerned with climate change, affordable housing and child care, and pragmatic drug policies just to name a few.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by nik-

My real "FYGM" issue is that I feel there should be bigger tax relief on money that someone puts into an recognized retirement savings method. If I'm aggressively saving to ensure that I'm not going to be a burden to the state when I'm done working, there should be better incentives.

I'm fine with paying taxes on salary, and property taxes, and sales taxes, and sin taxes. But let me gain some financial security without ####ing banging me.

That’s what the TFSA is for

[nik-]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

That’s what the TFSA is for

The TFSA is comprised of post tax contributions though. They need to reduce the rate on RRSP withdrawals.

[zamler]

And I suddenly feel the need to take a long nap. TFSA RRSP xyz obladi oblada.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by nik-

My real "FYGM" issue is that I feel there should be bigger tax relief on money that someone puts into an recognized retirement savings method. If I'm aggressively saving to ensure that I'm not going to be a burden to the state when I'm done working, there should be better incentives.

I'm fine with paying taxes on salary, and property taxes, and sales taxes, and sin taxes. But let me gain some financial security without ####ing banging me.

100% tax relief on 18% of your income plus no tax on gains for the next 5k isn't enough.

Or are you looking for more than just tax deferment?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I'm purely looking at both parties on the spectrum. One centre-left, the other left.

I'm aware there are platform differences between them.

Where this has meaning (to me anyway) is the social aspect of these types of elections. Doug Ford, for example, shakes up everything regarding climate change, he's anti-abortion, homophobic - generally things more tolerated by left leaning people.

It's always been my wish of a viable party that was fiscally responsible, but socially progressive. Seems you can't have both or you get a leader (like Wynne) who squanders it.

Literally...LOL.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I'm not alarmed and I've never watched Tucker Carlson. Ontario is already a smoldering crater, they are paying to export electricity.

I'm not sure why you need to continue with the ooga booga narrative.

He, literally, does not know any better.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How out of touch is the far-right the Huffington Post, Salon, the Globe and Mail, CBC, the Guardian, Slate, Vox, the Daily Beast, and NPR if they think these are the pressing issues the left is concerned with? Most people I know who are aligned similarly politically with me are much more concerned with climate change, affordable housing and child care, and pragmatic drug policies just to name a few.

fyp

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

fyp

Weird. I just took a look at all of those sites and none of them had anything about bathrooms or trans rights on their front page.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Considering the outgoing government left the province in shambles how is Doug Ford as PM alarming? You think an NDP government was going to dig Ontario out of their hole?

No matter who won it was alarming.

[CliffFletcher]

A good summary of how Ford won Ontario.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...e-ford-nation/

It validates the suggestion I made up-thread that it's the educated and affluent who seem most concerned with social policy.

Mr. Ford’s ascendancy cements the PCs’ long transformation from a party of the powerful to a party of those who feel alienated from power. The party’s strongholds are in rural areas, small towns and some suburbs. According to Ekos Research, Conservative voters have less formal education than supporters of other parties. Men favour the PCs over the other parties. They are the preferred party of those who describe themselves as “poor.”

Central areas of Toronto and Ottawa with their affluence, trendiness, diversity, cultural institutions, government buildings, museums and concert halls, head offices, startup companies, large hospitals and universities are now NDP strongholds. Karl Marx would be shaking his head.