Ongoing Terrorism/ISIS/al Qaeda Thread

[nik-]

Originally Posted by heep223

Do those places have a large Muslim population?

Isn't that kind of the point?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by nik-

What?

I'm saying if it were a poverty issue you'd have a lot more terrorists from places like Myanmar, Cambodia, Thailand and the extremely poor countries of Central America.

Awesome job ignoring the context of the conversation though. Down the drain indeed. And China is probably not the example you want to use lol

Great examples, not a lot of terrorists, but plenty of militias and armies who murdered millions.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by nik-

Isn't that kind of the point?

Yes. I actually just wasn't aware that there were such large Muslim populations there. It's a good point.

Interestingly from one of the articles:

"....combines with frustrated expectations in many Middle Eastern and North African countries, and among many migrant populations, where people with engineering backgrounds have difficulty in realizing their ambitions for good and socially valued jobs.This explains why there are relatively few radical Islamists with engineering backgrounds in Saudi Arabia (where they can easily find good employment) and why engineers were more prone to become left-wing radicals in Turkey and Iran. A particular religiously fundamentalist ideology gives engineers a philosophy that is in tune with their mindset and an understanding of the world that helps make sense of their poor economic prospects."

Kind of supports my point really.

I cannot explain your point in regards to poor Asian countries with large Muslim populations. Probably something to do with Western interventionism in the middle east moreso than Asia? Also, what ^ said.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Great examples, not a lot of terrorists, but plenty of militias and armies who murdered millions.

No one ever said humanity was awesome. Also, no one ever said that Islamic extremists were the only ones killing people.

Please proceed to your next deflection.

[Fuzz]

I think the religious community absolutely bears responsibility for this. These fighters have grown up on religion and had their belief used to turn them. How many atheist ISIS fighters are there? I'm going to guess close to none. If you are going to indoctrinate children in the ways of your religion, you better be doing it in a way that doesn't allow others to pervert it to their needs, becuase ideas formed in childhood are not easy to shake.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by polak

Good point. Still home to some of the most dangerous cities in the world though and that's directly tied to poverty. Just not terrorism-per se.

The type of religion seems to be the issue with that. Islam really does need to get it's s**t together.

This is Islam getting its s**t together, we are frightened of Islam now, they have become important. If you're a Muslim kid who spent most of his life being called names this is empowering.

[polak]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

This is Islam getting its s**t together, we are frightened of Islam now, they have become important. If you're a Muslim kid who spent most of his life being called names this is empowering.

You think that bullying is going to be reduced? If anything this emerging right wing response is going to make life for the ordinary muslim kid complete hell. When a huge chunk of the kids at school have parents who are telling them that muslim kids are bad or whatever, look out.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by polak

You think that bullying is going to be reduced? If anything this emerging right wing response is going to make life for the ordinary muslim kid complete hell. When a huge chunk of the kids at school have parents who are telling them that muslim kids are bad or whatever, look out.

I don't think anything other than get used to it, this is a reality I've lived with all my life in the UK, nothing's going to stop it.

[jammies]

Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa don't export terrorists because they have plenty to do at home, plus they don't have backers with oodles of oil money ready to fund attacks and support organizations in the West. The idea that there are no "terrorists" there, just because they don't make *real* news by attacking white people is laughable.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by polak

Yeah but you see, terrorism based purely on political movements seems to be more easily squashed. The South American counter terrorism in the 80's and 90's is easily the most successful anti-terror campaign we have seen. Do you think that Peru is just so much better at it then the rest of the world for some reason or do you think it might be because faith based terrorism is a different beast?

Easily squashed? The Cold War lasted for far longer than the war on terror has.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by polak

Yeah but you see, terrorism based purely on political movements seems to be more easily squashed. The South American counter terrorism in the 80's and 90's is easily the most successful anti-terror campaign we have seen. Do you think that Peru is just so much better at it then the rest of the world for some reason or do you think it might be because faith based terrorism is a different beast?

Peru didn't defeat terrorism, their terrorists became drug dealers.
Most of our blow comes from Peru for a reason, the government has no control of the interior and most of the shining path ditched moaism for the Pablo Escobar school of Central American politics.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by polak

Starting to think this too. But what can we do?

Stand up for liberal values in all situations. They are universal.

Hold everyone to the same standards. It's not any more understandable or acceptable to execute gay people or stone adulterers just because it's done in a particular part of the world by people with a particular cultural background. Women's rights are no less important in Pakistan or Indonesia than they are in Calgary.

To act as if cultural difference in some way excuses oppressive or otherwise abhorrent behaviour is not cultural sensitivity, it's a bigotry of low expectations.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by jammies

Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa don't export terrorists because they have plenty to do at home, plus they don't have backers with oodles of oil money ready to fund attacks and support organizations in the West. The idea that there are no "terrorists" there, just because they don't make *real* news by attacking white people is laughable.

Let's see the numbers. Show me African and Latin American radicals blowing up civilians by the dozens halfway around the world. The notion that there is no correlation whatsoever between global terrorism and radical Islam is laughable. There is no empirical basis to the argument, only anti-Western dogma.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Hold everyone to the same standards. It's not any more understandable or acceptable to execute gay people or stone adulterers just because it's done in a particular part of the world by people with a particular cultural background. Women's rights are no less important in Pakistan or Indonesia than they are in Calgary.

You would think this would be fundamental common sense to any liberal. And yet, compare how we talk about fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. who are passionately opposed to abortion and pre-marital sex with how we treat immigrants to North America who lobby for separate men's and women's sessions at public pools. The one is an oppressive patriarchal force to be vigorously denounced and opposed by any tolerant and progressive person, while the other is just part of the rich tapestry of human culture.

[Mr.Coffee]

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[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by nik-

What?

I'm saying if it were a poverty issue you'd have a lot more terrorists from places like Myanmar, Cambodia, Thailand and the extremely poor countries of Central America.

Awesome job ignoring the context of the conversation though. Down the drain indeed. And China is probably not the example you want to use lol

Or how about Murma? Or are Buddhists not allowed to be called terrorists? When even Buddhists are murdering innocent people in cold blood and that's a religion that's known universally as being peaceful, your point is flawed.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You would think this would be fundamental common sense to any liberal. And yet, compare how we talk about fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. who are passionately opposed to abortion and pre-marital sex with how we treat immigrants to North America who lobby for separate men's and women's sessions at public pools. The one is an oppressive patriarchal force to be vigorously denounced and opposed by any tolerant and progressive person, while the other is just part of the rich tapestry of human culture.

The fundamentalist Christians are an oppressive patriarchal force with significant power at all levels of government.

The other group (the immigrants lobbying for "separate men's and women's sessions at public pools") doesn't exist, far as I can tell. I'm all ears though if you can point these people out. Hell, name one person off the top of your head who is leading the charge on that issue.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The fundamentalist Christians are an oppressive patriarchal force with significant power at all levels of government.

The other group (the immigrants lobbying for "separate men's and women's sessions at public schools") doesn't exist, far as I can tell. I'm all ears though if you can point these people out. Hell, name one person off the top of your head who is leading the charge on that issue.

And it shouldn't exist, the minute a group trys buy them a ticket back to the where they came from. We removed most of the christian crap from schools long ago and I hope the hell it stays that way.

Schools,government and religion should be separated as far from each other as possible.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Or how about Murma? Or are Buddhists not allowed to be called terrorists? When even Buddhists are murdering innocent people in cold blood and that's a religion that's known universally as being peaceful, your point is flawed.

I assume you mean the fight between Rohingya muslims vs Burmese buddhists?

From my understanding the buddhists are fighting them because they are illegal immigrants from Bangladash...hardly terrorism.

[burn_this_city]

Terrorism is such a loaded term its kind of hilarious how compartmentalized we treat various violence against people. The only real terrorists are Muslims that attack each other or white people, everything else doesn't fall into our definition. Murdering illegal immigrants doesn't classify as terrorism I guess. Neither does kidnapping or murder for political reasons like in South America.