I thought this was an interesting story in that due to lying about basically helping students get jobs they were banned from enrolling students with Federal Aid.
It looks like DeVry is probably going to end up going as well.
I tend to feel sorry for the students there, I think they were duped, but I wonder how seriously other schools and colleges are going to take a transfer of credit request from ITT tech.
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I thought this was an interesting story in that due to lying about basically helping students get jobs they were banned from enrolling students with Federal Aid.
It looks like DeVry is probably going to end up going as well.
I tend to feel sorry for the students there, I think they were duped, but I wonder how seriously other schools and colleges are going to take a transfer of credit request from ITT tech.
I'm not even sure a community college would take ITT transfer credits. Maybe the University of Phoenix will take them?
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I'm not even sure a community college would take ITT transfer credits. Maybe the University of Phoenix will take them?
The University of Phoenix probably isn't too far behind ITT tech in shutting down. The same law changes that made ITT tech decide to just shut down affects them too.
Speaking of the University of Phoenix, I think I remember reading last year it's students have the highest student debt load in America, something like $30 billion in total debt. Pretty sad really.
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They, along with DeVry filled a big need/void in the late 90s and early 00s. Basic programming and computer skills weren't really taught in school and society was rapidly adopting tech without the workforce to match. I suspect now that most Jr. High kids can code in C.
The problem is we don't have enough focused, 2-year technical programs in this country. Not everything requires four years of university.
We also laugh at community colleges, but they address a genuine economic need. When Mount Royal College became a university, the four year programs that replaced the two year programs did not make students more qualified for employment. All it did was double the cost of an education.
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I don't think that all post-secondary education is one giant racket, but it kind of is one giant racket. Not sure what DeVry did was any worse than what UofC does when it allows credit card vendors, and phone salesmen to flood campus during the first 2 weeks of school.
DeVry campuses were also wonderfully bare-bone. Now, campuses have micro-brew pubs, and oven-fried pizza joints - all for the subtle but express purpose of separating students from their money.
DeVry and ITT tech started out as good schools at one point with good instructors / profs. The quality eroded greatly after mid 2000s. Now, they're considered a joke.
Though they were for profit, I think the intention to build a good school was the goal at the beginning. It's too bad profit mainly drove the direction of these schools.
Hey I went to Devry and even moved down to Dallas to get my degree down there and I did fine. Of course my degree has very little to do with what my career turned into. But back when I went there I thought it was pretty good and because I'm a bit ADHD the fact that there was a lot more lab time to class room time and a lot of group collaboration was a good fit for me.
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I used to make the joke that the entrance exam which they had at the time which was basic math and english and probably never got graded should have been can you sign your name on this financial aid form and personal check for the deposit?
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The problem is we don't have enough focused, 2-year technical programs in this country. Not everything requires four years of university.
We also laugh at community colleges, but they address a genuine economic need. When Mount Royal College became a university, the four year programs that replaced the two year programs did not make students more qualified for employment. All it did was double the cost of an education.
In my 15 years in IT have have only worked with 2 Devry grads, but both have been very good employees. I went to MRC, not UofC for the explicit reason that the UofC MGIS at the time (early 2000) was basically MGMT with a few "turn on a computer get an A" courses. They really were built for people who were MGMT but wanted to bluff computer proficiency to IT companies who were the rage at the time. "I can manage nerds, I took a VB Script class"
I wanted to learn something deeper and MRC had the best program available. I managed to learn programming design, ASP.NET, distributed computing, Business Analysis along with Sales and Marketing. It was great.
When it comes to IT the school is less relevant. I know lots of SAIT, MRC, and even a few Devry folks who were smart people and did as good if not better than any University grads. Really it comes down to the curriculum and how good the person can use it in the real world.
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