The Video Game Thread v3

[chemgear]

Cyberpunk 2077 CE for PC is available

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07THHKLN4/..._ya_os_product

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

To be fair, none of those are anywhere near as demanding. You've got between zero and one NPC asset in those shots.

Anyway I doubt the hardware is the problem exactly, it's more that if you're developing a game, you kind of have to choose which platform you're giving priority to. Cp77 no doubt could have just been designed for last gen console and would be a better game for those consoles as a result, but it would place a ceiling on what it would look like on new hardware PCs and new gen consoles.

With the benefit of hindsight, it maybe would have been best to delay it further and / or only release it on PC and new gen consoles, but the point about foregoing lots of sales is a good one. That's a tough sell given the amount of money spent on development.

[btimbit]

If my PC was running mid level hardware from 2012 like the PS4 is, I'd expect it to run terribly for me too. But again that's on CDPR not the players. They should have not bothered or at least delayed it, nothing wrong with a later release for some platforms

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

To be fair, none of those are anywhere near as demanding. You've got between zero and one NPC asset in those shots.

Anyway I doubt the hardware is the problem exactly, it's more that if you're developing a game, you kind of have to choose which platform you're giving priority to. Cp77 no doubt could have just been designed for last gen console and would be a better game for those consoles as a result, but it would place a ceiling on what it would look like on new hardware PCs and new gen consoles.

With the benefit of hindsight, it maybe would have been best to delay it further and / or only release it on PC and new gen consoles, but the point about foregoing lots of sales is a good one. That's a tough sell given the amount of money spent on development.

Umm, did you even see the shots on the consoles? My buddy is playing through it now and it's basically rendered worse that what some games were rendered on the PS3. The PS4 version is like 540-720p at best according to him and it still suffers from garbage frame rates, stutters, freezes etc. He says he could live with the lower quality if the game play was smooth, or the crappy game play if the game was beautiful, but he has neither on the PS4.

I think many gamers would have been fine with it not being released/delayed for console, or released on PC first only... but that's not how it was touted and the company keeps contradicting itself. It was supposed to run on those consoles. It doesn't run. It's not just a few glitches it's straight up game breaking. This isn't a few bugs, it's a plague. Not a few freezes, it's a polar vortex. More choppy than a lumberjack competition... Anyone on a console, this was being sold a bill of goods, plain and simple.

The game runs fine on PC. That's cool, but the console launch was botched horrifically, plain and simple at levels that I don't think we have ever seen before.

[Toonage]

Any PS5 owners here that have Madden 21 on PS4 who have had problems getting the PS5 upgrade to work?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

To be fair, none of those are anywhere near as demanding. You've got between zero and one NPC asset in those shots.

Anyway I doubt the hardware is the problem exactly, it's more that if you're developing a game, you kind of have to choose which platform you're giving priority to. Cp77 no doubt could have just been designed for last gen console and would be a better game for those consoles as a result, but it would place a ceiling on what it would look like on new hardware PCs and new gen consoles.

With the benefit of hindsight, it maybe would have been best to delay it further and / or only release it on PC and new gen consoles, but the point about foregoing lots of sales is a good one. That's a tough sell given the amount of money spent on development.

The first Cyberpunk teaser trailer came out in Jan 2013, almost a full year before the PS4 even launched. It was in development for the entirety of last-gen, there is no excuse for the sad performance on those consoles. And the "ceiling" argument is bunk, it's quite possible to develop multiple versions of a game with different capabilities. Miles Morales looks and plays absolutely fantastic on the PS5, but the PS4 version isn't some crippled mess because of it (with lots of NPCs)

This just comes down to CDPR developing for high-end PC's first so they could get the prettiest screenshots for marketing, ignoring the console base that made up the actual bulk of pre-orders. And the PC version is still rife with bugs too and an open world that isn't even half of what CDPR teased. Hell you can't even get in a police pursuit, the cops don't have any car AI. That's something GTA had working pretty well almost 20 years ago

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Any PS5 owners here that have Madden 21 on PS4 who have had problems getting the PS5 upgrade to work?

You should just have to go to the PSN Store, and the PS5 Version of the game should be discounted 100% (so, free). Add it to cart, and check out.

[Toonage]

Ah, if it were only that easy. See, I am prompted for the upgrade in the PS4 game (disc in the PS5) and even found it in the store and the game hub. Each time I download it it gives me the trial from EA Play and then tells me it can't connect to the servers. I can't download the full version of the game as it appears to be an EA Play glitch. Curious if anyone else had errors. Basically I can't upgrade to the full version and the trial it keeps giving me can't get online to play at all.

[ComixZone]

That's messed up, sorry Toonage. I'd hit up @EAHelp on twitter if you haven't already.

[Toonage]

I've spoken with EA at length (several cases open) and they reply to me in an almost robotic fashion. Ask for pics of the game disc, my online ID, proof of purchase, and then proceed to tell me how to upgrade, apologize for the problem I am having with FIFA (wrong game, which makes me laugh) and I even tried cancelling EA Play but they told me to go to Sony about it, who in turn told me they can't cancel it any longer. Just have to wait for it to run out. At this point I was just hoping someone who had a similar issue maybe had a work around. If by chance you read anything somewhere by all means feel free to share it with me. Very much appreciated!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I have played several hours on my PS4 and regret it. It looks like Duke Nukem, but honestly I find the dialog and gameplay super corny so that could be part of it.

I am going to get a refund and reconsider when I get my PS5.

Yep, all the performance talk but I'm not sure I even like the game very much...it's okay

Not the best shooter, not the best open world game

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yep, all the performance talk but I'm not sure I even like the game very much...it's okay

Not the best shooter, not the best open world game

Yeah performance aside (runs great for me) the game just isn't that fun. The combat and driving feel terrible

[Hemi-Cuda]

Link

[woob]

Instant police?

[codynw]

Gross the enemies are bullet sponges too? Good way to make me not want to play a shooter.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by codynw

Gross the enemies are bullet sponges too? Good way to make me not want to play a shooter.

From what I am given to understand, you start off weak, with crappy guns and almost no skills/driving abilities. So everything feels like it sucks. Then as you level and grow and find/make better stuff, you do much better.

So you are supposed to grow into a very good character. But folks aren't making it that far, due to the bugs.

[SuperMatt18]

Those magical spawning police officers are a neat game mechanic.

IMO it's these types of bugs that show the game was rushed and is just broken.

It's one thing for the game to just not look good on last gen due to the demands of the game itself, but when you have actual flaws in the AI and game logic then it's a different issue.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

That's about the time I gave up on Yakuza Kiwami when I tried to get into the series. Half the game is sitting watching these characters talk in terrible dialog with a super hamfisted plot. I realized that Japanese games just aren't for me

I powered through it and am now on chapter 7. My revised review is I love it and will fight anyone who doesn’t like it. Pointless substories? Mob bosses in diapers fighting over formula? Rogue crawfish? A dumb as rocks protagonist and silliness abounds and is mixed with intermittent graphic violence. You son of a bitch I’m in.

[Mazrim]

On a side bar to the best games of 2020 thread, I wanted to post my top 5 favorite games I played this year with no restrictions on release date or DLC.

1. Hades
2. Breath of the Wild (second playthrough, still amazing)
3. Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers Patches 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 (I suppose each one is a separate "release" but the 2020 patches really do meld together nicely and make up an incredible amount of content)
4. American Truck Simulator: Colorado DLC
5. Super Mario World (played it again for the 30th anniversary, still really fun)

[DoubleF]

I can't help but feel bad for the devs and marketing team for Cyberpunk 2077. They're taking a ton of flak that likely isn't even their fault. I can't help but feel like the situation they're in is purely due to unrealistic and idiotic restrictions/requirements on how to do things, placed upon them by upper management/investors who don't know what they're doing.

I think that's why there was that debacle in November where the marketing team tweeted it was a firm release date in November, only for a tweet that over rode them around a day later.

This is also perhaps why a game that was to be built for last gen consoles in mind now looks like a rushed, crippled mess of a PS3 (not even PS4) PC port when it's been in development for years.

Heck, ME:Andromeda was in this type of development hell/reset situations and even they rushed out something in 18 months that wasn't as bad as this. This on top of the fact that the game was supposed to be released April 2020, and 6 months of delays later, this is what shows up on console? Based on the promises made over the years, where the console games are at etc. this is something to expect stage wise in April, not half a year of delays later. You can't really blame devs if they are told to march in the wrong direction off a cliff. This on top of the fact that I believe the console versions are at like the 4th patch since launch? (v1.4 vs v1.1 at launch per my buddy) This is why I blame the upper management/investors over devs.

You tell devs with no interference to focus on graphics or play-ability, they should be able to figure one or the other out in 6 months. Not being able to do either in 6 months is seemingly not possible without interference or inability to utilize the full 6 months.