Rate the Flames 2020 Trade Deadline

[Mass_nerder]

I'm fine with the additions, but I wish we would have been able to cash in an asset (Brodie or Hamonic). I know that injuries sort of took that choice out of Tre's hands, so it's tough to trash him too much for not selling off one of our ufas.

I would have liked to see a middle 6 rw as well, but echoing others, the prices seemed way too high to get it done.

6/10 imo

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It has been totally quiet on the contract front with Brodie. Maybe he does want to stay here, or maybe he does not want to be traded in season (I'd suggest few players do unless they are end of career chasing a ring or simply unhappy with their role). But I'm guessing if the Flames wanted to move him, they would have.

I tend to think that the Flames have a stronger appetite to re-sign Brodie than it appears from the outside looking in, but again, I think it was more difficult to trade Brodie than you insinuate. Certainly the Flames could have moved him if they were determined to do so, but perhaps we can agree on this much: there are several mitigating factors which have either hampered their ability, desire or both to do so.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

These poll results are interesting and kind of show that there was a huge vocal minority yesterday.

After reading all the comments throughout the day I would have guessed the average would fall between 3-4, and not 6-7.

Reading this board sometimes does not give the most accurate pulse of our community.

Not necessarily, as it seems that most of the higher-rated posts are also accompanied by comments like "didn't do anything stupid"...which rather limits the logic of what is considered "good" vs "bad"....

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

....It's when you consider whether he was able to improve the team's shortcomings and position the team for future success that the grade gets lowered. There is no real improvement here and we have 5 pending UFA's on the back end.

For an offseason that figures to be monumental, that's not a great position to start from...

See, this is where I disagree. Having exclusive negotiating rights to five UFA defensemen to fill two or three positions affords a pretty useful level of flexibility.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not necessarily, as it seems that most of the higher-rated posts are also accompanied by comments like "didn't do anything stupid"...which rather limits the logic of what is considered "good" vs "bad"....

I feel that regardless of team and year, not doing something stupid is always a win on deadline day.

We’ve seen a lot of horrible trades before.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

See, this is where I disagree. Having exclusive negotiating rights to five UFA defensemen to fill two or three positions affords a pretty useful level of flexibility.

This is actually a really good point I hadn’t considered.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Voted 5

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

This is actually a really good point I hadn’t considered.

I just hope Treliving doesn’t feel pressured to sign them because he gave up assets for them.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just hope Treliving doesn’t feel pressured to sign them because he gave up assets for them.

He didn't even attempt to sign Fantenberg or Shore in the past couple years after giving up assets, so I don't think he will.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Itse, I have to disagree. Winning a round is nothing. This core group won a round 3 years ago and it has meant basically nothing to the team. In fact, it is probably the single biggest contributing factor to the team now bottoming out as it provided them with the false belief that they were close to contention. Winning a round or two this year likely has the same effect, pushing off hard decisions because of a mistaken belief that luck = preparation.

I have two separate comments to this. First, I don't agree they lucked out. They had the right coach for that time, and more importantly they had someone with lots of experience and who was good at playoff hockey. That kind of a coach can push a team further than they should go on paper.

(IMO the first consistent mistake this organization makes is underestimating the importance of the head coach. It's why we're almost never any better than our roster. The second consistent mistake is that the management (and even ownership) is too involved in deciding how the team should play. These are obviously related issues. I feel like head coaches are typically treated like middle management in Calgary.)

Second, I don't think winning a round now would be anything like winning that round was last time, mentally speaking. Winning a round now would show they can actually win a round without needing to be special super underdogs on fire. It would mean the first one was not a fluke.

Btw, I think the team would have been sellers if there hadn't been terribly timed injuries in the back end. It's an example that the best laid most meticulous plans can go to waste in an instant. You have to make do with the cards you're dealt.

Remove an injury from either Välimäki or Hamonic and the whole situation is different.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

See, this is where I disagree. Having exclusive negotiating rights to five UFA defensemen to fill two or three positions affords a pretty useful level of flexibility.

Please provide some research and data on how many UFAs sign with the team that they finish the season.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Please provide some research and data on how many UFAs sign with the team that they finish the season.

This is a very narrow minded view to a post referring to the flexibility the team has now.

For example, he can evaluate different combinations of the 5, and what their anticipated salaries are, to help shape roster decisions for the summer. And he can start on that today.

[Jetfire]

I give it a 6/10. I'm happy with the additions, but I did want a winger too however I guess that wasn't feasible this time around with prices that were being paid for some of the guys that were available. I'm pleased Tre didn't spend much.

I'm excited to see what Gustafsson can do, being essentially a bottom pair defenceman that can put up 50+ points just on offensive ability including power play prowess. Hopefully Forbort is a defensively responsible physical presence.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

See, this is where I disagree. Having exclusive negotiating rights to five UFA defensemen to fill two or three positions affords a pretty useful level of flexibility.

Well sure the Flames have the choice of whether they want to offer them a contract. But the point is they will be expensive given their UFA rights. And if the off season is about trades, expiring UFA’s have no value.

That’s why they’re considered rentals.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

He didn't even attempt to sign Fantenberg or Shore in the past couple years after giving up assets, so I don't think he will.

I raise you a Michael Stone.

[Geeoff]

I think the players we added will not make a difference in whether this team makes the playoffs, how well they do in the playoffs if they make it nor will they re-sign either as a UFA. So, probably they just burned a couple picks for nothing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Please provide some research and data on how many UFAs sign with the team that they finish the season.

You go ahead and dig that up if you are so inclined.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well sure the Flames have the choice of whether they want to offer them a contract. But the point is they will be expensive given their UFA rights. And if the off season is about trades, expiring UFA’s have no value.

That’s why they’re considered rentals.

The Flames would have had the same number of holes to fill on the blue line whether or not they moved Brodie at the deadline, but I tend to think having a surplus of players with exclusive negotiating rights like they do is ultimately beneficial. They won't be paying any more to fill those holes than they would have without acquiring additional defensemen, and now that they have there is a chance it may even cost a little less.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames would have had the same number of holes to fill on the blue line whether or not they moved Brodie at the deadline, but I tend to think having a surplus of players with exclusive negotiating rights like they do is ultimately beneficial. They won't be paying any more to fill those holes than they would have without acquiring additional defensemen, and now that they have there is a chance it may even cost a little less.

I see what you are saying and agree they are no worse off in terms of having to fill the upcoming holes on the back end than before the deadline. I might have hoped that knowing this situation was coming for a year, the organization would have managed their assets a little differently. For now, I hope one or both of the new guys fit in and are interested in staying.

[N-E-B]

I gave him a 7. I was hoping to add, and he did. I didn’t want him to sell, and he didn’t.

I wanted to add a forward but we didn’t get one. Could have been a lot worse.