Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Harry Lime]

This is such a weird thread. If 'living on your knees' refers to prostitution, are the same people who are up in arms going to come to the aid of sex workers? Let's find out!

[jayswin]

What?!?! That's you seeing that the thread is too "weird" and thinking "Yeah, this'll get it back on track".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What?!?! That's you seeing that the thread is too "weird" and thinking "Yeah, this'll get it back on track".

Be nice. Harry just wants to talk about sex workers and, quite frankly, if he is approaching the discussion in good-faith we must entertain it. Or something like that.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by StickMan

In Canada we don't actually have any good political parties to vote for, we just vote for the opposition to remove the current corrupt government and repeat.

You clearly aren’t speaking for all Canadians here

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557940028411633664

Out of curiosity Yoho, and I’m asking this without judgement on your views, why do you think that people who were upset about a lack of workplace rights that resulted in them losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates being legal under certain circumstances appear to be primarily supporting parties(CPC, PPC, UCP) or politicians(PP, Smith) that don’t want to actually legislate improvements to the rights of workers?

[calculoso]

The new wave of increased privatization appears to be upon us in Ontario. This seems to be happening in both medicine and education.

They have been limiting funding for healthcare (even not spending dollars from the federal government) and service has been suffering as a result. Understaffing of nurses has been the most talked about, but there have been other ramifications such as closing ERs, no ambulances available, etc.

So far, the Ford government approach has been
- contact to private business for nursing, at 2x-3x the cost
- refuse to rule out additional private healthcare
- limit funding for private education, but offer $225m for Parents (approx $100/student) for catch-up via tutoring

Even Mother Nature seems to be against Ford: swallowed a bee:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1558118860502474756

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by StickMan

In Canada we don't actually have any good political parties to vote for, we just vote for the opposition to remove the current corrupt government and repeat.

I would argue no country on earth has political parties that people would say are all good.

Unfortunately there will always be some type of corruption because politics truly does attract some of the worst most self serving people. Regardless of whether they are career politicians or “not apart of the establishment” they all have an interest other than their ours in some way or another.

[JohnnyB]

What was it that got Yoho thrown in the sin bin? Just sharing crazy views?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What was it that got Yoho thrown in the sin bin? Just sharing crazy views?

Didn’t realize he was sin binned, would any of the other supposed freedom fighters be willing to answer my question from post 1325?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What was it that got Yoho thrown in the sin bin? Just sharing crazy views?

I honestly have no idea what the criteria for getting suspended on this site are anymore. The mods are much more tolerant of some stuff (ie personal attacks) than they used to be, but seem more likely to sanction posters for being ‘disruptive’ than before. So who knows.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What was it that got Yoho thrown in the sin bin? Just sharing crazy views?

Perhaps 'Body of Work?'

Its just a binning, he might just need a couple days to calm down. It happens.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If you think someone is acting in bad faith, what do you hope to achieve by engaging with them?

If we’re going to drum out everyone in the politics threads who post nothing but low-effort partisan tweets and links, that’ll be a very long list.

Sometimes I am genuinely curious on something they stated, bad faith or not.

Also, what is with this- because you can't engage with everyone you think acts poorly you shouldn't try at all?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Out of curiosity Yoho, and I’m asking this without judgement on your views, why do you think that people who were upset about a lack of workplace rights that resulted in them losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates being legal under certain circumstances appear to be primarily supporting parties(CPC, PPC, UCP) or politicians(PP, Smith) that don’t want to actually legislate improvements to the rights of workers?

This did seem strange to me when it happened. Workers protest is usually the realm of the left, and here the left took a hardliners stance putting the vaccine mandate ahead of workers rights. It was a very gutsy maneuver considering future negotiations with any workers groups by the party.

When the right saw a divide, they jumped in. Which is fine. Except they didn't understand any of the issues pertaining to the protection of workers rights and instead got all fox newsy, which is all they knew to do. Totally off the rails at that point, as the original workers rights protest essentially died, with no one to defend it.

[SebC]

Not that strange when you think of it as a matter of collective action vs. individual rights. Antivaxxers are scabs.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Voted NDP in the last election didn’t you Azure?

I actually voted CPC because I felt O'Toole was a decent option.

The current NDP is a sellout and a joke.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This did seem strange to me when it happened. Workers protest is usually the realm of the left, and here the left took a hardliners stance putting the vaccine mandate ahead of workers rights. It was a very gutsy maneuver considering future negotiations with any workers groups by the party.

I think you may have failed to pick up on the subtle sarcasm in my post. This “protest” was never about workers rights. Your claim that the “left” put vaccine mandates over workers rights seems based on either misinformation or a lack of understanding of what rights workers actually have. You can’t put something ahead of someone’s rights if they don’t actually have the rights you’re claiming they do.

When the right saw a divide, they jumped in. Which is fine. Except they didn't understand any of the issues pertaining to the protection of workers rights and instead got all fox newsy, which is all they knew to do. Totally off the rails at that point, as the original workers rights protest essentially died, with no one to defend it.

Again, it was never a workers rights protest. Heck, it wasn’t even a protest it was a straight up occupation. This was a concerted effort to rile up a number of frustrated groups of people under a false flag so that a handful of grifters could make some money, if they happened to get some restrictions lifted and/or Trudeau to resign it would have simply been a bonus.

Can we stop pretending right/left political sides are a real thing? (I swear it’s easy if you try) It must be confusing the hell out of people who are all of pro-choice, anti-labour, pro-public heathcare but still want a tax break.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

I actually voted CPC because I felt O'Toole was a decent option.

The current NDP is a sellout and a joke.

The concept of “selling out” for a major 3rd place party is hilarious to me and people viewing it that way is a huge part of what’s wrong with politics today.

As a right winger, I get it, having the centre-left party collaborate with the left wing party is probably disappointing, but having parties actually work together is better for everyone so long as fringe parties (PPC, Green) aren’t gaining outsized influence.

If the Liberals and the Conservatives actually worked together on things, it’d be amazing, but there would of course be people complaining about selling out because they didn’t get exactly what they wanted, in the way they wanted it, or because they would’ve rather had nothing than make concessions. It’s just an entirely toxic way to approach politics.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

I actually voted CPC because I felt O'Toole was a decent option.

The current NDP is a sellout and a joke.

I’m stunned lol.

But also curious as to why you consider the NDP a sellout but a party that is bought and paid for by corporations isn’t.

Going back to your previous point, I don’t think O’Toole made the party a viable option for a lot of people. I think if he would have actually taken meaningful steps to prove to people that the party had changed it could have been different though, problem is even as the party leader he’s not really calling the shots.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Going back to your previous point, I don’t think O’Toole made the party a viable option for a lot of people. I think if he would have actually taken meaningful steps to prove to people that the party had changed it could have been different though, problem is even as the party leader he’s not really calling the shots.

I thought it was interesting and disappointing how clear it was that O’Toole had little control over the party. I think he was a good choice, but it was awkward trying to watch him play to the further right and annoying how often he would have to justify logical, moderate right wing policies to insane people on the right.

Part of me thinks he was booted too early. The other part of me thinks the party is so far gone and lost to the far right that it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m stunned lol.

But also curious as to why you consider the NDP a sellout but a party that is bought and paid for by corporations isn’t.

Going back to your previous point, I don’t think O’Toole made the party a viable option for a lot of people. I think if he would have actually taken meaningful steps to prove to people that the party had changed it could have been different though, problem is even as the party leader he’s not really calling the shots.

I have no problem with the NDP works with the Liberals, but you work issue by issue. A defacto agreement to support everything in exchange for a 'dental plan' is a joke.

Also, will never vote for the NDP while they refuse to support oil & gas development in our country.