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Old 11-15-2021, 10:06 AM   #221
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So uh, how exactly does the judge dismiss the only unquestionably illegal act committed in this entire crapfest?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/us/ky...ard/index.html
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:14 AM   #222
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So your obviously not paying attention to any of the facts I take it?
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:14 AM   #223
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After a violent confrontation where he approached the children of the woman he (allegedly) raped and robbed.*
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The knife was in his hand as he was shot. While the mother (the woman he had raped (allegedly)) was screaming about her children as Blake approached them. Whether he turned to the officer or not I think is super debatable, but as an officer how do you let a violent man approach children with a knife as the victim mother screams? Like Blake himself says "he wasn't thinking right". He caused all the issues, including knowingly violating a court order.

Also he was not executed. Despite maybe best efforts he is alive today.
You mean his children? One of whom was celebrating their birthday, which was why Blake was there in the first place? Blake was there celebrating the kid's birthday for hours before the call.

The woman (Booker) was fighting with a neighbour, so Blake decided he would take the kids out of the situation. The reason police were called on him was because he was taking a rental car that wasn't his and wouldn't give up the keys, and Booker was worried he was distressed. Many years prior, he'd taken her car and crashed it, so it's easy to see why she was worried.

The woman screaming, who was she screaming at? Right, the police, who were attacking the father of her children. The police, who despite her yelling that her kids were in the car, fired shots towards the inside of the car. The police who fired those shots for "no reason," according to Booker.

Don't you think if your version was true, that an alleged rapist tried to take/attack the children of the woman he raped, that she might have seen some just cause in taking him down? Don't you think, if it were true, that witnesses would have known Blake was the one cops were there for, not screaming at them "you got the wrong guy" because nobody but Booker knew the cops were called on him and nobody would have guessed that he was the reason for their presence based on his actions?

Even saying "the woman he raped" is ridiculous at this point. That charge was dismissed. Booker did not pursue it. She let him spend hours with her and his kids on the kid's birthday after that alleged incident.
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:25 AM   #224
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Is Grosskreutz not just the other side of the coin to Rittenhouse too? Both stylized themselves as there to offer medical help while arming themselves for self-defense.

I wonder how it would have played out if Grosskreutz was able to get his shot off first.
One was actually a paramedic, and I think there's a notable difference between keeping a holstered pistols for self defence and running around with an AR-15, in terms of the reaction you produce from others.
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:40 AM   #225
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So uh, how exactly does the judge dismiss the only unquestionably illegal act committed in this entire crapfest?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/us/ky...ard/index.html
Apparently is some poorly worded law. As it reads, if you are 17 it is not illegal to carry this type of rifle, as long as it hasn't been sawed off. At 16 would be illegal, but not 17.Or something.
Have no clue on crossing state lines or if that applies. Antioch is like 10 minutes from Kenosha, but across the border.

If we are supposed to be shocked that the verdict is likely to say this was all good, I am not shocked.
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With how brutal and incompetent every single person involved in this trial is, no wonder most places don't allow cameras in courtrooms
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:55 AM   #227
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You mean his children? One of whom was celebrating their birthday, which was why Blake was there in the first place? Blake was there celebrating the kid's birthday for hours before the call.

The woman (Booker) was fighting with a neighbour, so Blake decided he would take the kids out of the situation. The reason police were called on him was because he was taking a rental car that wasn't his and wouldn't give up the keys, and Booker was worried he was distressed. Many years prior, he'd taken her car and crashed it, so it's easy to see why she was worried.

The woman screaming, who was she screaming at? Right, the police, who were attacking the father of her children. The police, who despite her yelling that her kids were in the car, fired shots towards the inside of the car. The police who fired those shots for "no reason," according to Booker.

Don't you think if your version was true, that an alleged rapist tried to take/attack the children of the woman he raped, that she might have seen some just cause in taking him down? Don't you think, if it were true, that witnesses would have known Blake was the one cops were there for, not screaming at them "you got the wrong guy" because nobody but Booker knew the cops were called on him and nobody would have guessed that he was the reason for their presence based on his actions?

Even saying "the woman he raped" is ridiculous at this point. That charge was dismissed. Booker did not pursue it. She let him spend hours with her and his kids on the kid's birthday after that alleged incident.
You have the luxury of hindsight.

The cops were called because a man who was not suppose to be there was now trying to take a vehicle with the children of his alleged victim of whom he had a restraining order for sexual assault and a warrant. That’s what the cops knew. They saw the man put the children in the vehicle and the mother yelling about how he was trying to take the vehicle and kids as he tried to get in the car with a knife. That’s what they knew. No way you just let the “distressed” alleged criminal casually take the children away (at best).

As for Booker, her multiple calls to 911, her statement that Blake would sexually assault her several times a year but remained in a relationship shows a dysfunctional and violent domestic situation. We see it all the time where a woman in these type of domestic abuse forgive, defend and support their partners. It’s a sad situation but hardly unique.
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You mean his children? ..
I'm sure you know that most child abductions and harm done to children are by family members and people they know. Not strangers. Just because he's the father doesn't mean he can kidnap them.

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You have the luxury of hindsight.

The cops were called because a man who was not suppose to be there was now trying to take a vehicle with the children of his alleged victim of whom he had a restraining order for sexual assault and a warrant. That’s what the cops knew. They saw the man put the children in the vehicle and the mother yelling about how he was trying to take the vehicle and kids as he tried to get in the car with a knife. That’s what they knew. No way you just let the “distressed” alleged criminal casually take the children away (at best).

As for Booker, her multiple calls to 911, her statement that Blake would sexually assault her several times a year but remained in a relationship shows a dysfunctional and violent domestic situation. We see it all the time where a woman in these type of domestic abuse forgive, defend and support their partners. It’s a sad situation but hardly unique.
If you’re not checking out The Problem With John Stewart, his latest episode is on the issue of gun violence, police violence and their strong tie to domestic violence.
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One was actually a paramedic, and I think there's a notable difference between keeping a holstered pistols for self defence and running around with an AR-15, in terms of the reaction you produce from others.
Volunteer paramedic who looked nothing like a paramedic other than a ballcap that said paramedic.

He also pulled the gun and pointed it at Rittenhouse
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Old 11-15-2021, 11:41 AM   #231
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You have the luxury of hindsight.
I thought that's how we were treating these issues, using the luxury of hindsight? Isn't that why people are bringing up the fact that Rittenhouse shot a pedophile among other things? Do we think Rittenhouse knew the guy was a pedophile and was just doing his civic duty? Come on.

If we're going to talk about these situations as they were, knowing what we know today, we should do that. If we want to talk about them strictly with what was known by the people involved at the time, let's do that. If we're going to say one issue gets the hindsight treatment and one doesn't, that doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

Even your version of events isn't true. "The cops were called because a man who was not suppose to be there was now trying to take a vehicle with the children of his alleged victim of whom he had a restraining order for sexual assault and a warrant. Thatís what the cops knew."

Here's what they knew:

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5:11:12 compl says there is a Jacob Blake her that isn't suppose to be here and he took the compels keys and is refusing to give them back

5:11:28 Jacob is the compls childs father

5:12:07 Jacob is now trying to leave

5:12:52 lvj935 is the plate

5:12:59 compl says he is leavingnw and hungup

5:13:03 Jacob has a 10-99 through Kenosha for tresspass/DV, DC/DV, and DC/DV felony 3rd degree sexual assault

5:16:28 possible shots

5:16:42 shots fired
Where did they find out about the restraining order? Or that Booker was the alleged victim? There are zero reports of that information being shared by Blake, Booker, or witnesses. And they knew those kids were his kids.

That's the benefit of hindsight, no? So are we using it, or not? I'm trying to figure out what rules you want to play by.

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I'm sure you know that most child abductions and harm done to children are by family members and people they know. Not strangers. Just because he's the father doesn't mean he can kidnap them.
es across. Did you really just air quote someone claiming to be a rape victim to score points in a political argument?
Great, but that's not what was happening.

And no, I didn't air quote someone claiming to be a rape victim, I put quotes around words I was quoting from a post I was responding to. Don't be an idiot.
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When have I defended Kyle for killing a pedo lol?

I responded to some guy who talked about facts mattering then brings up how the cops executed an unarmed man lol.

Blake was a violent criminal with a knife in his hand as he was trying to get into a vehicle that had the child of the distraught woman yelling about her children and car. This wasn’t a unarmed Black man executed in front of his kids like Lanny said.

And I still think you need to read up on why domestic violence victims won’t speak out. Remember Ray Rice’s wife apologized for her role in getting knocked unconscious.

But in hindsight this whole situation doesn’t seem all that bad, all things considered. A rapist was paralyzed, pedo was killed, domestic violence abuser was the only other person killed, a man who sent threatening Facebook to pro-police groups got shot and a man supplying guns to minors now faces severe time in prison. Could have turned out a lot worse.
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Volunteer paramedic who looked nothing like a paramedic other than a ballcap that said paramedic.

He also pulled the gun and pointed it at Rittenhouse
Hand't Rittenhouse already murdered two people by then? There probably should have been a Police Officer pointing a gun at Rittenhouse by that point.
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Volunteer paramedic who looked nothing like a paramedic other than a ballcap that said paramedic.

He also pulled the gun and pointed it at Rittenhouse
Rittenhouse also had his gun out and pointed at Grosskreutz, so I'm not sure what the difference matters.

The reason why the difference in their medical training matters is that one of them was actually trained to provide it, so for one of them, it's at least a somewhat believable story.
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Warning. Graphic. I think that's the most insane is how fast this all happens. We are breaking things down frame by frame but the whole incident is like 12 seconds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg
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Warning. Graphic. I think that's the most insane is how fast this all happens. We are breaking things down frame by frame but the whole incident is like 12 seconds.


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There are multiple other people with huge rifles walking around and many other unrelated gunshots..... What a way to live.
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One was actually a paramedic, and I think there's a notable difference between keeping a holstered pistols for self defence and running around with an AR-15, in terms of the reaction you produce from others.
There is in terms of perception, but legally handguns are almost always under more regulatory scrutiny because they can be concealed easily and are used in more criminal acts compared to long barrel weapons. In Canada, hand guns are almost all in the restricted category, while many rifles are not restricted.
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The kid is an idiot for being there in the first place but based on that video he is defending himself IMO

Unless there is something before and this is out of context...why the #### are they chasing him?
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The kid is an idiot for being there in the first place but based on that video he is defending himself IMO

Unless there is something before and this is out of context...why the #### are they chasing him?
Well, yes. Rittenhouse had shot and killed an unarmed man prior to this video beginning.
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There are multiple other people with huge rifles walking around and many other unrelated gunshots..... What a way to live.
Some people commenting here don’t seem to understand the context of what was happening in Kenosha at the time. It was the third night of riots and looting. Buildings had been razed to the ground. There were lots of people walking around openly carrying guns.

The only thing Rittenhouse did differently from dozens of other people that night is he was idiotic enough to try to jog through a crowd to get to the next location where he was going to roleplay being a cop. Once he was in the crowd, the likelihood of a very bad outcome increased dramatically. But there’s no evidence he deliberately set out to shoot anybody.
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