Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not going to gang up on Cam because it’s unnecessary, and there’s truth to what he’s getting at in different circumstances. You always have to be aware of your surroundings and try and not put yourself in a bad situation. But in this case from what we’ve heard is she went home with one guy and five rats were let in. It’s not reasonable to think this thing could happen in a place like London where it’s just an average university party town, so it really shouldn’t be on her.

Pretty ####ed up about society that we teach women this as opposed to teaching about consent (the presence of a yes, not just the absence of a no) and men not to engage in SA and feel entitled to other's bodies' though.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by stang

You would have thought someone would have said that his leave has nothing to do with this by now if he wasnt one.

You would think... but the Calgary Flames have never had good PR sense... or even average PR sense. So it wouldn't be off-brand.

Having said that oh boy I hope they bring in outside expertise if/when Dube is named because oh boy would it really really behoove them to have reasonable answers to the questions that will come (and "No further comment" won't cut it).

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You would think... but the Calgary Flames have never had good PR sense... or even average PR sense. So it wouldn't be off-brand.

Having said that oh boy I hope they bring in outside expertise if/when Dube is named because oh boy would it really really behoove them to have reasonable answers to the questions that will come (and "No further comment" won't cut it).

oh I'm sure they have Navigator on speed dial.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not going to gang up on Cam because it’s unnecessary, and there’s truth to what he’s getting at in different circumstances. You always have to be aware of your surroundings and try and not put yourself in a bad situation. But in this case from what we’ve heard is she went home with one guy and five rats were let in. It’s not reasonable to think this thing could happen in a place like London where it’s just an average university party town, so it really shouldn’t be on her.

Considering you want the Jays to sign Bauer this take of yours is hardly surprising.

[Sylvanfan]

Getting charges laid in a case like this is pretty significant. Once the charges are laid, it will be something to watch if the legal teams band together to try and buy silence, or if one cracks and opens this up.

I grew up in a Junior hockey town. I didn't go to the same school that the players did. But stories like this circulated every week. Not to this extreme, and I'm sure there was a lot of hyperbole in them. But I am quite sure that there was a lot of misconduct going on with a lot of the players on the team. They were treated like stars in that city and getting any dirt on the ones who were good at hockey was going to be next to impossible.

Skeptical me thinks this has to occur in other sports. Excited young men who think they're the top of the food chain likely have a lot of common behaviors.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Pretty ####ed up about society that we teach women this as opposed to teaching about consent (the presence of a yes, not just the absence of a no) and men not to engage in SA and feel entitled to other's bodies' though.

Consent is now taught in universities across Australia, which I think is a great thing. Ideally it's something that's taught at an appropriate age at home, but everybody's family situation is different.

Sadly, this will do nothing to deter the microscopic but not insignificant criminal element of society from committing sexual crimes. I'm not sure there is a solution to that.

[trackercowe]

It's a complete double standard. The whole victim blaming crowd. If a guy goes to the bar/club, then takes off his shirt... only to end up being raped, does that mean he was asking for it as well? That he should have known better.

I have had a few friends defend the perps in this case. I find that rather reprehensible, especially in knowing how they themselves act in public, or when they're intoxicated. They put themselves in bad situations, how would they feel if something like this happened to them or their children?

It's shocking how common this appears in today's society. I actually watched American Nightmare on Netflix last night. In this case multiple women were raped, kidnapped, and/or abused, and they were blamed and persecuted by those in law enforcement and the media. They were told the allegations in their cases were either hoaxes or a dream. I can't imagine living through something like that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Normally I would agree that seems to be how it should work, but Chicago was able to actually terminate Perry's contract, not just put him on paid leave. So who knows what teams can actually do if jey want to.

One of the unanswered questions re. the Perry situation is why the PA didn't challenge it. Speculation has been that its because Perry didn't want to.

Happened with Patrick Berglund as well, where the Sabres terminated his contract (for very different reasons) and the PA wanted to appeal the whole thing. Berglund didn't want to, so they didn't.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Consent is now taught in universities across Australia, which I think is a great thing. Ideally it's something that's taught at an appropriate age at home, but everybody's family situation is different.

Sadly, this will do nothing to deter the microscopic but not insignificant criminal element of society from perpetuating sexual crimes. I'm not sure there is a solution to that.

teaching consent starts your young children and not force or coercing them to give someone a hug if they don't want to etc etc.

you're right, why try to make society better....

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Considering you want the Jays to sign Bauer this take of yours is hardly surprising.

Huh? What am I missing here? I’m saying the woman is not at fault here as the guys let themselves in. The bauer situation was different where she lied and he was acquitted. Totally a wrong take here Kal.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

teaching consent starts your young children and not force or coercing them to give someone a hug if they don't want to etc etc.

you're right, why try to make society better....

we should strive to improve society. That's what I said.

I also said there are some people for whom posters and powerpoint presentations will do little to deter their criminal impulses.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

One of the unanswered questions re. the Perry situation is why the PA didn't challenge it. Speculation has been that its because Perry didn't want to.

Happened with Patrick Berglund as well, where the Sabres terminated his contract (for very different reasons) and the PA wanted to appeal the whole thing. Berglund didn't want to, so they didn't.

I guess I don't think a player being investigated for rape will ask his PA to fight him being placed on paid leave. Or at the very least would the PA even be successful? He's still getting paid.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

teaching consent starts your young children and not force or coercing them to give someone a hug if they don't want to etc etc.

you're right, why try to make society better....

Well ####ing said

We raised our kids to understand they could say no to hugging Aunt Sue, without repercussions.

And yes I’ve had to say to Sue “sorry it’s their right, this isn’t about you”

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I suspect you may be a little drunk for this time of the day in Edmonton, but yes, we should strive to improve society. That's what I said.

I also said there are some people for whom posters and powerpoint presentations will do little to deter their criminal impulses.

It's also on peers to hold folks accountable and call out when their friends flirt with crossing lines.

Also, all I've had to drink today is coffee. But thanks for suggesting I live with addiction I guess.

[Locke]

Yeah...I think just reasonably...I dont think anyone outside of an accomplished and well-compensated Porn Star is saying 'yes' to anything that includes the term 'Gang.'

[cam_calderon]

It's also true that life deals a lot of people a bad hand from birth, and their parents are not exactly beacons of wisdom and guidance. That's why I support consent education in high schools and universities (grade 6 and below would be too early).

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

It's also on peers to hold folks accountable and call out when their friends flirt with crossing lines.

Also, all I've had to drink today is coffee. But thanks for suggesting I live with addiction I guess.

I'm sorry, that was in poor taste. And yes, it's important for the young generation to police this to some extent.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I guess I don't think a player being investigated for rape will ask his PA to fight him being placed on paid leave. Or at the very least would the PA even be successful? He's still getting paid.

It hasn't been established (even now) that he was one of the specific players being investigated. And if the entire WJC was being looked at, should all of them have been suspended.

Any time an NHL team wants to suspend a player for any reason, you better believe the PA will be taking a hard look at it. That's part of their job. They are there to advocate for the rights of the players.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Consent is now taught in universities across Australia, which I think is a great thing. Ideally it's something that's taught at an appropriate age at home, but everybody's family situation is different.

Sadly, this will do nothing to deter the microscopic but not insignificant criminal element of society from committing sexual crimes. I'm not sure there is a solution to that.

I find it wild consent needs to be taught at the adult level.

It's actually an application of respect, something children aren't taught enough of. That a person can say stop touching me and you don't know how to act in that moment, says you probably don't know how to act in any respect based moment.

Sad statement on society. Need to get back to the foundations with kids as opposed to this superficial dopamine hit socitey we live in.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Consent is now taught in universities across Australia, which I think is a great thing. Ideally it's something that's taught at an appropriate age at home, but everybody's family situation is different.

Sadly, this will do nothing to deter the microscopic but not insignificant criminal element of society from committing sexual crimes. I'm not sure there is a solution to that.

The WHO argues that 1/3 women experience sexual assault in their lives.
This number suggests that it is not a small percentage of men. If you are careful, the women in your life might tell you their experience. I often think about this article with respect to the the large gray area that exists.


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