2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I hate the idea of signing DeBrusk. He feels like a Brouwer type add.
To me, the best course of action is to keep selling off the 30 year old players for picks, prospects and under utilized assets.
Also, use cap space as a way to add talent that has soured on their current teams.
Keep looking for the Bennett/Forsling type players. Even if the Flames take a gamble on a Kotkaniemi or Dubois and it busts, they will have the cap to make those mistakes. But the gamble could pay off.

… add talent that comes with sweeteners.

I hate the idea of signing FAs because Flames are in a position to help cap crunch teams for a price.

Signing Debrusk is a waste. Even if we trade Mangiapane. There has to be a Debrusk type player on a stupid contract some team regrets signing that we could take in exchange for picks and prospects.

I know we need to ice a real NHL calibre team but I’ll be massively disappointed if Connie signs Debrusk.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Nothing imminent but I’m still told we’ve seen the last of Markstrom in a flames jersey.
It’s been quiet, but hoping Florida can finish it off tonight and the real offseason can begin.

I fully expect him to start game one of the season.

I’ve seen this show before.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I fully expect him to start game one of the season.

I’ve seen this show before.

This show? It's only been one episode - the trade deadline, where something allegedly happened with someone higher up in the Flames not agreeing to something Conroy was trying to do.

I'm sure he'll be gone before the draft this month.

[Enoch Root]

Is Debrusk better than Mangiapane? Debatable.

But Debrusk plus the return we would get for Mangiapane is definitely better than Mangiapane

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is Debrusk better than Mangiapane? Debatable.

But Debrusk plus the return we would get for Mangiapane is definitely better than Mangiapane

2nd and a 3rd? Is that about right?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is Debrusk better than Mangiapane? Debatable.

But Debrusk plus the return we would get for Mangiapane is definitely better than Mangiapane

Yep, definitely down with the logic as long as Debrusk is 3 or 4 years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Signing players to help now only hurts long term, that's the 'why' in why we shouldn't.

Flames arent going to try to be bad

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames arent going to try to be bad

Nah. They’ll just be bad

[Hackey]

No thanks on Debrusk. Not sure why we need to overpay another middle 6 guy at this point.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm indifferent to Debrusk signing with the Flames.

Decent enough player and as of right now Sharangovich, Kuzmenko and Mangiapane are all going into the last year of their contracts. It's a very realistic scenario that all three could be traded for futures by the TDL next year.

Need some NHLers around.

The Flames currently only have 4 players signed to 3 years or more and none of the young guys who are or will be RFAs look like they will command big contracts.

Yeah, you don't want to waste that kind of cap flexibility but like I said, Debrusk is decent enough IMO

And if this rumor turns out to be false, oh well.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No thanks on Debrusk. Not sure why we need to overpay another middle 6 guy at this point.

Why is overpay the automatic assumption here? And what is overpayment for a top 9 winger going to look like in 3 years when the cap is ~$100M?

I think there’s a lot of knee jerk reaction going on. I think Debrusk would be fine, so long as some of the current wingers on the roster are moved to continue to allow for young players to integrate into the lineup over the next 2-3 years.

It wouldn’t surprise me that the Flames are getting asked about Coleman. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Coleman wouldn’t entertain a move to a more competitive team at some point. That along with what sounds like the likelihood of Mangiapanne moving this year and a decent chance Kuzmenko as well, I’m not sure why the Flames shouldn’t at least kick tires with Debrusk. The Flames have always valued solid pros and, just my opinion, you need those guys during a rebuild/retool. Debrusk is also young enough to probably be able to play good mins and contribute once the Flames turn the corner if things go as planned.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Why is overpay the automatic assumption here? And what is overpayment for a top 9 winger going to look like in 3 years when the cap is ~$100M?

I think there’s a lot of knee jerk reaction going on. I think Debrusk would be fine, so long as some of the current wingers on the roster are moved to continue to allow for young players to integrate into the lineup over the next 2-3 years.

It wouldn’t surprise me that the Flames are getting asked about Coleman. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Coleman wouldn’t entertain a move to a more competitive team at some point. That along with what sounds like the likelihood of Mangiapanne moving this year and a decent chance Kuzmenko as well, I’m not sure why the Flames shouldn’t at least kick tires with Debrusk. The Flames have always valued solid pros and, just my opinion, you need those guys during a rebuild/retool. Debrusk is also young enough to probably be able to play good mins and contribute once the Flames turn the corner if things go as planned.

The main reason I don't want the Flames to sign Debrusk is because I see cap space as an asset for a rebuilding team(see MTL). I would rather use the cap space to either buy low on a younger underperforming asset, or take on a player with a sweetner(Orlov maybe?). At the same time, I don't see how signing Debrusk would generate any picks for the Flames in a future trade.

Another asset I'd be okay with the Flames targetting is a past his prime star. I don't think that a guy like Debrusk will help teach the kids anything that will significantly alter their skill set... The way Jagr did(protecting the puck), or the way Gio did with the development of Andersson. Maybe Pavelski, Stamkos, or P. Kane could be good adds on a 1-2 year contracts.

Finally, the math for top 9 winger spots doesn't quite workout:
Huberdeau, Coleman, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Mangiapane, Zary(?), Pospisil, Pelletier, and Coronato.

They all need top 9 spots, so unless we move 2-3 of Mangiapane, Coleman, Sharangovich, and Kuzmenko there's no space for Debrusk.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The main reason I don't want the Flames to sign Debrusk is because I see cap space as an asset for a rebuilding team(see MTL). I would rather use the cap space to either buy low on a younger underperforming asset, or take on a player with a sweetner(Orlov maybe?). At the same time, I don't see how signing Debrusk would generate any picks for the Flames in a future trade.

Another asset I'd be okay with the Flames targetting is a past his prime star. I don't think that a guy like Debrusk will help teach the kids anything that will significantly alter their skill set... The way Jagr did(protecting the puck), or the way Gio did with the development of Andersson. Maybe Pavelski, Stamkos, or P. Kane could be good adds on a 1-2 year contracts.

Finally, the math for top 9 winger spots doesn't quite workout:
Huberdeau, Coleman, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Mangiapane, Zary(?), Pospisil, Pelletier, and Coronato.

They all need top 9 spots, so unless we move 2-3 of Mangiapane, Coleman, Sharangovich, and Kuzmenko there's no space for Debrusk.

I’m not sure I agree with anything in here.

The Flames should have plenty of cap space over the next handful of seasons. It seems more than likely both Markstrom and Mangiapanne will be moved either before the season or during it. You can put Kuzmenko in there as wel. Perhaps Sharangovich is extended, but what if he doesn’t want to? Are there any players right now that you can foresee requiring a huge increase on their next deal? I don’t. The Flames will have space. How much do they need and how much do you think teams are going to want to offload bad contracts? I doubt, very much, that’s the model the Flames will follw. I’m sure they’ll make some shrewd moves like they did in acquiring Sharangovich and Kuzmenko but I doubt they’re intent on becoming the Arizona Coyotes of the league.

I also don’t follow your point about how Debrusk wouldn’t be able to help teach the younger players.how can you possibly know? Only past their prime superstars can do that? So, Weegar, Kadri, Backlund don’t have much to offer there, I suppose? On any winning team I’d bet you don’t need to look hard to find a few solid vets to that helped mentor young players and they don’t need to be former superstars. Also, I think there’s a slim to zero chance P.Kane is ever a Flame. Pavelski has already said he’s done. Stamkos? If people are concerned about overpaying Debrusk, what do you think it’s going to take to lure Stamkos to Calgary? 7x11? I’ll take Debrusk.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet to think at least two, maybe all of, Kuzmenko, Mangiapanne, Coleman, Sharangovich are moved before the TDL.

[Jason14h]

Debrusk is great if the Flames move all their other wingers for assets .

I doubt the Flames do that . We probably try to dress the team with the most 40 pt guys in the NHL and think that will translate into wins/ playoffs !

Run out 4 second / third lines and think we can win with depth

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Debrusk is great if the Flames move all their other wingers for assets .

I doubt the Flames do that . We probably try to dress the team with the most 40 pt guys in the NHL and think that will translate into wins/ playoffs !

Run out 4 second / third lines and think we can win with depth

Or they put a team on the ice to play hockey that does not have any superstars because they are in year one of their rebuild and have not drafted them yet. Does anyone think Verbeek signed Killorn because he thought he would win at any realistic point in the contract? Or did he sign him because he still needed to ice a team.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Or they put a team on the ice to play hockey that does not have any superstars because they are in year one of their rebuild and have not drafted them yet. Does anyone think Verbeek signed Killorn because he thought he would win at any realistic point in the contract? Or did he sign him because he still needed to ice a team.

Or he was signed, to provide leadership to a really young group of players.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Debrusk is great if the Flames move all their other wingers for assets .

I doubt the Flames do that . We probably try to dress the team with the most 40 pt guys in the NHL and think that will translate into wins/ playoffs !

Run out 4 second / third lines and think we can win with depth

I think it’s nearly a foregone conclusion that Mang is gone by the TDL. I think it’s likely Kuzmenko is too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Coleman is getting asked about by other teams and if the flames can get a good return I think they would entertain it especially if behind the seems Coleman is saying he’d like to be on a competitive team. Doubly so if they have a player, like Debrisk, to fill the void. Sharangovich is curious to me as he seems to fit and may want to stay but on the other hand Conroy has stated his preference to not let good players walk. So, if he’s not extended by the deadline, fans should expect him to be moved.

In other words, I think there is room for Debrusk. Maybe not at the start of the season but I’d bet by the TDL, there will be.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames arent going to try to be bad

I suspect you’re probably right, and that it may be a complete waste of a season because of it. Going through a full season attempting to be competitive only to miss the playoffs or get destroyed in the first round, and then not have your own 1st round pick is the chef’s kiss of incompetence.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I suspect you’re probably right, and that it may be a complete waste of a season because of it. Going through a full season attempting to be competitive only to miss the playoffs or get destroyed in the first round, and then not have your own 1st round pick is the chef’s kiss of incompetence.

lol do you really think there is anything they can do in the offseason that will give them a better roster than last year?
Mangiapane wants out, Markstrom wants out, and who knows on Kuzmenko and Sharangovich.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol do you really think there is anything they can do in the offseason that will give them a better roster than last year?
Mangiapane wants out, Markstrom wants out, and who knows on Kuzmenko and Sharangovich.

But keep in mind it's a critical rebuilding year in terms of where we finish because of the terms of the Monahan trade. If we bring in players to try to be competitive and everyone goes "lol, don't worry we won't be any good with a few roster adds" and those roster adds get us to the 11th OA pick instead of 10th OA....we literally lose that pick to Montreal.