06-14-2021, 09:34 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You need a Slavin or Giordano to get the best out of Dougie. He’s always been reliant on his partner to cover him for some of his random defensive woes.
So, whoever wants Dougie for 8 years hopefully gets him a partner that suits him well. I like Dougie but not at 8 years.
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06-14-2021, 09:36 AM
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#22
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Carolina definitely cannot protect him in the expansion draft. They have Slavin, Pesce, Bean and Skeij to deal with even without having to worry about Hamilton.
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I've seen several drafts where it is assumed Bean is exposed and taken.
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06-14-2021, 09:37 AM
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#23
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
You need a Slavin or Giordano to get the best out of Dougie. He’s always been reliant on his partner to cover him for some of his random defensive woes.
So, whoever wants Dougie for 8 years hopefully gets him a partner that suits him well.
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If you’re signing a d-man for 8 x 8, you would hope you wouldn’t have to shelter him that way.
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06-14-2021, 09:40 AM
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#24
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I've seen several drafts where it is assumed Bean is exposed and taken.
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Right, but if they sign and protect Hamilton they have to do that and someone else, unless they're going 4 and 4, in which case they're losing a forward instead.
Carolina is just not in a good position to be using its protection slots as trade bait. That's for bad teams like Detroit.
... Also, if they lose Bean, that's the Seattle version of the Shea Theodore coup right there.
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06-14-2021, 09:53 AM
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#25
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
The museum angle was a nothingburger. But there are still questions around how good a fit Hamilton is with a lot of teams considering his lackadaisical play without the puck and perceived lack of big-game quality. From a recent article in the Athletic:
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Wasn't it always understood that "museum" was just a proxy for "not the bar". In other words, Hamilton was just not into being one of the guys. Which IMO is not a great way to assess team character but there it is.
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06-14-2021, 10:05 AM
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#26
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
If you’re signing a d-man for 8 x 8, you would hope you wouldn’t have to shelter him that way.
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My point exactly. Whoever signs him go a 8 year deal won’t like it halfway through.
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06-14-2021, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Wasn't it always understood that "museum" was just a proxy for "not the bar". In other words, Hamilton was just not into being one of the guys. Which IMO is not a great way to assess team character but there it is.
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At a certain point, you do have to wonder why nobody seems that passionate about keeping a guy who is almost always around top 15 in scoring for defencemen and one of the top defencemen on the team he's on.
Not saying Carolina won't keep him, but they're obviously not super worried about it.
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06-14-2021, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Wasn't it always understood that "museum" was just a proxy for "not the bar". In other words, Hamilton was just not into being one of the guys. Which IMO is not a great way to assess team character but there it is.
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Yeah pretty much.
And similar comments from Boston with the uppity stuff.
Plus clearly there was a concern in Calgary or they wouldn't have kept his tweener brother around as much as they did.
Could mean many things from just shy to awkward, but it certainly doesn't mean he was a problem in the dressing room.
Do you need to be altogether to win? Would certainly help. But I would hope a guy doesn't have to do jello shots and stay out late to be considered an important part of the team.
But as discussed ... it's not just a Calgary and Hamilton issue ... it follows him around.
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06-14-2021, 10:16 AM
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#29
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under
I hope teams understand what they’re getting into if they sign Hamilton. The guy likes going to museums! What a psycho!
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Museum nonsense aside, there does seem to be something about him.
A player with his talent doesnt bounce around to different teams every few years for no reason, and typically still garner considerable assets in return.
There might be fire behind some of this smoke.
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06-14-2021, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Museum nonsense aside, there does seem to be something about him.
A player with his talent doesnt bounce around to different teams every few years for no reason, and typically still garner considerable assets in return.
There might be fire behind some of this smoke.
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Some people are just this way. Seem to wear out their welcome and move on. But, like you say, they have enough talent that teams are willing to pay the price to have their services for a few years. Look no further than fellow defenseman Subban.
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06-14-2021, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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I think this is a brilliant move by Carolina. If Hamilton wants out, then they can get some assets for the trade. If he wants to stay and Carolina wants him to stay, they he and Carolina will know what he's worth in the open market. This is a true win-win for all parties involved.
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06-14-2021, 10:28 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by chedder
Some people are just this way. Seem to wear out their welcome and move on. But, like you say, they have enough talent that teams are willing to pay the price to have their services for a few years. Look no further than fellow defenseman Subban.
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Well Subban is clearer though. He is a very outgoing personality that craves attention, sometimes to the detriment of the team.
His Highlight-Reel is equally matched by his Blunder-Reel.
He is a High-Risk/High-Reward player, but that only lasts for so long.
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06-14-2021, 10:29 AM
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All I can get
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Hamilton ends up in the Emerald City. Just too good a fit.
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06-14-2021, 10:38 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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I think with Dougie its just a real lack of intensity/enthusiasm that rubs some around him the wrong way.
He is a great player obviously, but when it comes to team chemistry he just doesn't mesh well for many players.
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06-14-2021, 10:38 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 161 St. - Yankee Stadium
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Oilers. 7 years, $750,000 per.
Book it.
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06-14-2021, 10:40 AM
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#36
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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I do miss the Dougie bombs.
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06-14-2021, 10:40 AM
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#37
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by JBR
Oilers. 7 years, $750,000 per.
Book it.
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You missed a 0.
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06-14-2021, 10:47 AM
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#38
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
You missed a 0.
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Nah, Hamilton will sacrifice the zero for the all the Cups.
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06-14-2021, 10:52 AM
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#39
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It would honestly be a smart signing for the Oilers. A Nurse / Hamilton pairing would be pretty good. Then Klefbom with whoever of Larsson or Barrie comes back, I guess, or Ethan Bear if neither of them do. Then you've got Broberg and Bouchard learning the ropes in limited minutes with Russell or whatever other depth veteran you might sign to be the 7th D.
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06-14-2021, 11:01 AM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by tvp2003
The Canes were also the team the "let" Sebastian Aho sign an offer sheet -- only to match.
It suggests they're cheap but will pay market if they have to, so better to let other teams negotiate instead of risking overpaying.
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Those aren't the same situations. Aho was signed to an offer sheet as an RFA so the Canes would have a chance to match it no matter who he signed with. Hamilton is a pending UFA, if he negotiates and signs with another team, he's with that team.
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