[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Well to be honest Markstrom is worth significantly more than the young 3rd line centerman with potential. Had the devils made the trade a month ago they’d be very likely in a playoff position.

And NJD made a quality offer then, Calgary ownership nixed it. Now even with elite goaltending NJD won't make playoffs.

So again, why in hell would age 35 and 36 markstrom be worth Dawson Mercer

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Murray Edwards might be right...this team might be a playoff contender again next season if they keep Marky and retool in the offseason

It's not just about this or next season though! Mercer (if that is indeed the ask) for many years to come is worth way more than one run at the playoffs, unless obviously that ends with the cup. Regardless Markstrom is 34, has a chance to regress plus Wolf needs to play.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

And NJD made a quality offer then, Calgary ownership nixed it. Now even with elite goaltending NJD won't make playoffs.

So again, why in hell would age 35 and 36 markstrom be worth Dawson Mercer

Maybe so they can make the playoffs in 2024-25? Not that hard to figure out, is it?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Well to be honest Markstrom is worth significantly more than the young 3rd line centerman with potential. Had the devils made the trade a month ago they’d be very likely in a playoff position.

Based on trades that have occurred in the past I'd strongly disagree with that statement.

[2ArmBands]

I’m at the Journey concert at the Dome… I’m not even 40 (39)

Lights on at the owner suite but nobody is there.

I can only assume Edwards, Conroy, Maloney, dissentower, sec14 are working hard behind the scenes.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Based on trades that have occurred in the past I'd strongly disagree with that statement.

What was the offer?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Maybe so they can make the playoffs in 2024-25? Not that hard to figure out, is it?

I'd rather have 23 year old Mercer than 35 year old Markstrom.

If Swayman hits the trade market I'd be open to a swap there.

[getbak]

Fitz tomorrow morning...



...ER.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by getbak

Fitz tomorrow morning...



...ER.

Make that tonight and you've got a deal!

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

What was the offer?

The offer for what? The alleged offer for Markstrom?

From what I've seen it was Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

They're traded for less because they're the biggest wildcard. How do you not understand that?

It doesn't mean they're the least valuable. it just means them performing is not guaranteed because goalies are voodoo by nature, so the inherent risk diminishes the picks they go for.

A team NEEDS a goalie performing to go anywhere.

It might not have to be at a Vezina level, but the middle of the pack for starters at the bare minimum in order to compete for the cup.

Without that, everything above the goalie collapses. They're absolutely integral, and New Jersey is learning that lesson this year.

I think you missed the obvious counter... Goalies get traded for less because there are less of them. Most teams only have 2 spots on their roster for a goalie, so there are only 64 NHL goalie jobs at a time.

Also, I am not sold that goalies will stay 'cheap'. Even if we are ignoring Bobrovsky and Vasilevskiy for the moment, the next wave of star goalies are coming up with Oettinger, Swayman, and Shesterkin all likely looking at big raises as their contracts come up.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I'd rather have 23 year old Mercer than 35 year old Markstrom.

If Swayman hits the trade market I'd be open to a swap there.

Would be a good add, but probably costs as much as Saros. Wasnt the ask Mercer, 1st, casey, and holtz or some bull####. Goodluck with that. Just like everyone said market changes, right now it seems goalie market is hot.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

The offer for what? The alleged offer for Markstrom?

From what I've seen it was Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

Beyond awful. Fitz has been trying to dump Holtz, he's rapidly falling in their depth chart. Holtz would not even be worth the price of retaining 2M for 2+ seasons.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I think you missed the obvious counter... Goalies get traded for less because there are less of them. Most teams only have 2 spots on their roster for a goalie, so there are only 64 NHL goalie jobs at a time.

Also, I am not sold that goalies will stay 'cheap'. Even if we are ignoring Bobrovsky and Vasilevskiy for the moment, the next wave of star goalies are coming up with Oettinger, Swayman, and Shesterkin all likely looking at big raises as their contracts come up.

I agree. Plus once a team find a good goalie fit, they hold onto them like a precious diamond. It is only the goalies who aren’t a good fit who get traded… or they are traded for a king’s (or devil’s) ransom

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Two of the last three seasons Vezina quality. That's about a good a bet as you're going to get as far as goalies that can be acquired through trade.

Either the Devils want to roll the dice on those odds or they don't. The Flames price is set.

Given that they continue to boomerang back says that they think Markstrom can be that guy.

Trying to argue down the inherent value of goalies to the fans of a team that is seeing first hand the inherent value of a goalie by the fact that they're still in the playoff hunt despite dressing a roster of journeymen seems rather tone deaf and counterproductive.

Time to deal with the reality that this is what their needed goalie upgrade will cost them.

The Devils do have a hole at goaltender. Fitzgerald will continue to look around for a fair price on an upgrade.

Markstrom is not some guaranteed solution. He costs 6 mill, is 34 (the recent history on aging goalies is not pretty).

Markstrom is a large cause of why the flames missed the playoffs in 20-21 and 22-23. He #### the bed vs the oilers in 21-22.

Here's how I know Markstrom at 6 mill isn't worth the moon. Because 30 year old Markstrom at 6 mill (coming off a 4th place vezina finish) was able to be had for FREE as a UFA.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

The offer for what? The alleged offer for Markstrom?

From what I've seen it was Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

You saw wrong.

[Burn13]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I’m at the Journey concert at the Dome… I’m not even 40 (39)

Lights on at the owner suite but nobody is there.

I can only assume Edwards, Conroy, Maloney, dissentower, sec14 are working hard behind the scenes.

Keep us posted especially if "don't stop believin" starts playing and you see dancing up there!

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

The Devils do have a hole at goaltender. Fitzgerald will continue to look around for a fair price on an upgrade.

Markstrom is not some guaranteed solution. He costs 6 mill, is 34 (the recent history on aging goalies is not pretty).

Markstrom is a large cause of why the flames missed the playoffs in 20-21 and 22-23. He #### the bed vs the oilers in 21-22.

Here's how I know Markstrom at 6 mill isn't worth the moon. Because 30 year old Markstrom at 6 mill (coming off a 4th place vezina finish) was able to be had for FREE as a UFA.

Only because the Nucks couldn’t pay him and Demko. But nice try

[OutToLunch]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

The offer for what? The alleged offer for Markstrom?

From what I've seen it was Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

No wonder there's no deal yet, you get to drive off the lot with a Porsche if you want to pay for a VW

[danny darko]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You saw wrong.