[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, well I am pretty in tune with the market and I can tell you right now the market on top end goalies is high. Saros price was also Mercer +, actually higher than the ask for Markstrom.

Neither of those goalies got sold now did they?

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's a bold proclamation, not sure I would go that far. As a matter of fact I would say 50-50 is more like it.

My wife and I joke about everything being 50-50. It will happen, or it won’t.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes they do, it has happened multiple times in the past to upgrade a position of need. Also, McLeod is gone and has been for a while and Mercer is still used as a winger in NJ. They are not using him as a centre going forward. He also is actually averaging 3rd line ice time this year as that is where he is being used.

Dawson Mercer averages 17+ minutes a night. He is 5th among devils forwards in ice time

[Burning Beard]

Definitely Spurs.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The delirium as well.

I don’t think so. dgibb10 has been posting on that other site as a devils fan in Markstrom rumor threads for a while. I figure they signed up here mostly just to try to talk some sense into us flames fans as there really aren’t any on that other site

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

They're traded for less because they're the biggest wildcard. How do you not understand that?

It doesn't mean they're the least valuable. it just means them performing is not guaranteed because goalies are voodoo by nature, so the inherent risk diminishes the picks they go for.

A team NEEDS a goalie performing to go anywhere.

It might not have to be at a Vezina level, but the middle of the pack for starters at the bare minimum in order to compete for the cup.

Without that, everything above the goalie collapses. They're absolutely integral, and New Jersey is learning that lesson this year.

Yes. Exactly. They are the least valuable asset because of the risk inherent to them.

You just said exactly what I said.

You need good goaltending to win.

But going out there and paying for a hot goalie doesn't guarantee you good goaltending going forward. Markstrom himself has been a big reason why the flames missed the playoffs in 20-21 and last year

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So a Devil's advocate.

That means Spurs is still out there, and we have this guy running around talking nonsense? That's terrifying lol.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Anyone and everyone knows that Mercer is a large ask. Point is Flames don't have to and don't want to trade Markstom. Also, everyone knows that the Devils would be in the playoffs if they had a starting goalie. Tough to argue goalies aren't important, considering their roster and every hockey expert echoing the same sentiment. But hey, carry on.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Neither of those goalies got sold now did they?

Well Markstrom is still in play and Saros was pulled off the market.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I don't believe this is true at all in Calgary. Everyone who even has mediocre knowledge of hockey knows the Flames need to rebuild and are a very long shot to make the playoffs this season. They don't need to sell false hope to educated hockey fans. Flames fans are on board for rebuilding.

I’d say there is a subset of the market who are somewhat fair weather. Anyone who has tried to sell tickets knows this. There was a time where selling tickets at full face value was simple but in recent years it’s been tough to give tickets away and that’s here on CP which has the most rabid Flames fans. We’re not seeing nightly sellouts, and I would expect the marketing team is doing what it can to get more fans to attend the game. You and I aren’t the issue, but the people who might attend a couple games a year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes. Exactly. They are the least valuable asset because of the risk inherent to them.

You just said exactly what I said.

You need good goaltending to win.

But going out there and paying for a hot goalie doesn't guarantee you good goaltending going forward. Markstrom himself has been a big reason why the flames missed the playoffs in 20-21 and last year

Two of the last three seasons Vezina quality. That's about a good a bet as you're going to get as far as goalies that can be acquired through trade.

Either the Devils want to roll the dice on those odds or they don't. The Flames price is set.

Given that they continue to boomerang back says that they think Markstrom can be that guy.

Trying to argue down the inherent value of goalies to the fans of a team that is seeing first hand the inherent value of a goalie by the fact that they're still in the playoff hunt despite dressing a roster of journeymen seems rather tone deaf and counterproductive.

Time to deal with the reality that this is what their needed goalie upgrade will cost them.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Dawson Mercer averages 17+ minutes a night. He is 5th among devils forwards in ice time

Jacob Markstrom averages 60 minutes of ice time a game.

[Roof-Daddy]

He's not spurs, he's a devils fan from the CapFriendly boards.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's not spurs, he's a devils fan from the CapFriendly boards.

That makes sense. I would be grumpy too if my GM sewered a chance at the playoffs.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jacob Markstrom averages 30 minutes of ice time a game.

That seems low.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes. Exactly. They are the least valuable asset because of the risk inherent to them.

You just said exactly what I said.

You need good goaltending to win.

But going out there and paying for a hot goalie doesn't guarantee you good goaltending going forward. Markstrom himself has been a big reason why the flames missed the playoffs in 20-21 and last year

Well to be honest Markstrom is worth significantly more than the young 3rd line centerman with potential. Had the devils made the trade a month ago they’d be very likely in a playoff position.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by AC

That seems low.

Because I am a dumbass. Should be 60

[Zulu29]

I’d be fine with Conroy throwing in a 3rd and a middling prospect if that’s what it took to get the trade done for mercer and a 1st

[saillias]

If Spurs came back you'd know immediately because they would make a statement like "x player is garbage" and when called out insist it's a fact.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's not spurs, he's a devils fan from the CapFriendly boards.

Unfortunately that style is not uncommon