Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by peter12

Trudeau has to go. It's just too bad that Pierre the unlikeable Boy Scout is the only likely replacement.

This isn't true, though. I assume the CPC will lose again, which means that whoever is next up for the CPC could be the replacement if they manage to get their act together on that front (seems unlikely but stranger things etc), or he could be replaced as leader before that subsequent election happens, as has been predicted for a while.

[CaptainCrunch]

Voter fatigue could become a big thing with the Liberals and it might not matter who's in charge of the party.

I think that one benefit is that there might not be any chance of a 2023 election now, the numbers are too unpredictable and affordability and economic concerns and what seems like a lack of trust in the party and Trudeau might become factors in pushing that election out to the end of the actual term.

Personally I would be happy to see Trudeau take a walk in the snow, or be thrown into a snowbank or whatever. I don't think the Liberals have great bench strength for a replacement leader right now though.

But then again there's not a single party or leader that I would really trust to run this company through the times ahead.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think that one benefit is that there might not be any chance of a 2023 election now, the numbers are too unpredictable and affordability and economic concerns and what seems like a lack of trust in the party and Trudeau might become factors in pushing that election out to the end of the actual term.

Well, that, and it extends the PP term as leader. It's not like people are going to grow to like Pierre any more as time goes on... very much the opposite.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

You seem very politically biased. And increasingly so over time. I don't know you so this may not be true, but just my read over time reading your take of things. Sometimes it's okay to critique "your side" if they do stupid ####.

IMO on this "issue" (if it is one?) is that both Moe and Trudeau look pretty stupid over the whole thing.

Fuzz is the prototypical Liberal supporter.

Regardless of how Trudeau and the Liberals mess up, how much corruption is happening or whatever else they do that is pretty clearly wrong, it is always someone else's fault.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's his job to meet with someone while on a publicity stop, when no meeting was requested, and was snubbed on a previous visit? Interesting theory.

My guess is if Moe was invited he'd have snubbed him on this visit, too.

If you look at it differently, Sask is going to be a major player when it comes to the minerals needed for the trend towards green energy.

If Trudeau really cared about making sure Canada is functioning on all cylinders in order to lead the world with battery development, EVs, or whatever else we can offer, he would put his differences aside and figure out a way to work with Moe and the province of Sask.

But who are we kidding. Trudeau is never going to pass up an opportunity to snub the people who don't vote for him.

And you fall for it everytime.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by peter12

Either which way you decide to vote, this next election, whenever it comes, is going to be so bad for Canada.

But don't forget, O'Toole wasn't good enough.

A centrist, charge of party, usually middle of the road.....not good enough.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Fuzz is the prototypical Liberal supporter.

Regardless of how Trudeau and the Liberals mess up, how much corruption is happening or whatever else they do that is pretty clearly wrong, it is always someone else's fault.

I was just pointing out the pointlessness of the outrage, followed by the hypocrisy of Moe being upset when he did the same thing last year.

I'm not even a Liberal supporter(in the way you might imagine), I've said many times I'd love to have a Conservative party I could support, because having only one viable party to vote for is obviously really bad. I've called for them to kick out the clowns, forget being a "big tent" and just be reasonable. But every since the Reformers took over the PC's, it's been pretty hard to see them as an option. I think people tend to forget how much more reasonable a party the PC's were(who I voted for, at the time).

[Azure]

Oh please. You're never going to support the CPC, no matter who their leader is.

I am absolutely not a PP fan, but I will never understand why O'Toole wasn't a good check as a minority government leader to tell the Liberals that their corruption and overall pathetic was of governing is not acceptable.

Probably because of people like yourself who just making excuses for the Liberals, one corruption scandal after another.

[iggy_oi]

Well this is a fun little puppet show

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

But don't forget, O'Toole wasn't good enough.

A centrist, charge of party, usually middle of the road.....not good enough.

What legislation did he put forward on his platform to back up some of his more “moderate” positions?

Talk is cheap

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Azure

But don't forget, O'Toole wasn't good enough.

A centrist, charge of party, usually middle of the road.....not good enough.
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I am absolutely not a PP fan, but I will never understand why O'Toole wasn't a good check as a minority government leader to tell the Liberals that their corruption and overall pathetic was of governing is not acceptable.

O'Toole tried to appease both moderates and the far-right element of the party that was at risk of jumping to the PPC. He appeased neither, and came off as a wishy-washy politician who couldn't be counted on to mean the things he said.

The CPC had a winning candidate, IMO, in Peter Mackay, but he wasn't palatable enough to the nutjob contingent that wasn't entirely sold on the PPC to leave. Let PPC have the nutters, get a leader that can make the CPC appeal to the broader population, and you'll get a win. But that isn't PP, he's woefully unlikeable.

[btimbit]

As long as a party is still going to try to cater to the fringe nutjobs in the party, then I'm not voting for them no matter who is in charge. I agree that O'Toole was a lot better than PP, sure, but that wasn't the major issue

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh please. You're never going to support the CPC, no matter who their leader is.

I am absolutely not a PP fan, but I will never understand why O'Toole wasn't a good check as a minority government leader to tell the Liberals that their corruption and overall pathetic was of governing is not acceptable.

Probably because of people like yourself who just making excuses for the Liberals, one corruption scandal after another.

Because it isn't just about the leader(unless that leader kicks out the clowns). The fact that the party membership picked PP to lead them is evidence enough of the toxic party it is.

I did actually consider voting O'Toole so the Liberals had a reason to find a new leader, but he was so wishy washy I wasn't sure what he said was what he meant, and the reality is, my riding in Calgary was 99% going CPC anyway. It's actually the closest I've ever come to not voting, because it really didn't matter, and I didn't feel good about any choice. In the end it came down to giving a vote to a party that respects my social views and my desire to eventually get pharmacare. The CPC has indicated they have zero interest in even exploring that.

My apologies if my positions are a bit more nuanced than you want to paint them as.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

O'Toole was doing quite well for a while but stumbled toward the end of the campaign and didn't have time to recover.

His campaign was also pretty terrible in messaging on COVID and probably could have picked up 3-5 points on that issue alone had he not been so wishy-washy (EDIT: I swear I didn't see Fuzz's post before this, apparently we saw the same thing), trying to appease the crazies.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

O'Toole was doing quite well for a while but stumbled toward the end of the campaign and didn't have time to recover.

His campaign was also pretty terrible in messaging on COVID and probably could have picked up 3-5 points on that issue alone had he not been so wishy-washy (EDIT: I swear I didn't see Fuzz's post before this, apparently we saw the same thing), trying to appease the crazies.

It's probably telling that you, myself, and TourqueDog all independently called him wishy-washy(I hadn't read TD's when I posted).

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh please. You're never going to support the CPC, no matter who their leader is.

I am absolutely not a PP fan, but I will never understand why O'Toole wasn't a good check as a minority government leader to tell the Liberals that their corruption and overall pathetic was of governing is not acceptable.

Probably because of people like yourself who just making excuses for the Liberals, one corruption scandal after another.

Shouldn't this be directed at the CPC itself, since, you know, they were the ones who turfed him? You seem angry at people you claim to be Liberal supporters, but his downfall was from within the CPC.


Just my opinion, but O'Toole was the best out of Sheer and now PP.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's probably telling that you, myself, and TourqueDog all independently called him wishy-washy(I hadn't read TD's when I posted).

Of the four posts from you, me, Corsi, and btimbit; three called O'Toole wishy-washy, and three remarked on his courting of the party fringe as a detractor.

Canadians saw the same thing.

[Roughneck]

Blaming the Liberals for for the CPC turfing O’Toole is a pretty good summation of what is wrong with the CPC and why people don’t want to vote for them.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh please. You're never going to support the CPC, no matter who their leader is.

I am absolutely not a PP fan, but I will never understand why O'Toole wasn't a good check as a minority government leader to tell the Liberals that their corruption and overall pathetic was of governing is not acceptable.

Probably because of people like yourself who just making excuses for the Liberals, one corruption scandal after another.

O'Toole had no "fire in his belly". PP has more than enough.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

O'Toole had no "fire in his belly". PP has more than enough.

Probably the thing I dislike about Trudeau the most is his fake and arrogant personality. He comes across as condescending constantly.

For me, PP is just as bad. His use of words like 'woke', 'radical' and 'socialism' are nausea inducing. He's incredibly fake and disingenuous. He comes across as a prototypical sleazy salesman, in that he's using buzz words to sell me on something that likely isn't true or only half true.

I find them both terribly unlikeable.