Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Faust

Sask. Premier Scott Moe critical after Trudeau leaves him off invite list:

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/sask-pr...list-1.6232707

Everyone needs to work together.

Until the PM visits a province where he doesn't agree with the premier. Then suddenly working together is not preferred.

What a joke this government has become.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Everyone needs to work together.

Until the PM visits a province where he doesn't agree with the premier. Then suddenly working together is not preferred.

What a joke this government has become.

At some point you just stop dealing with the people throwing mud in your face every day. This is what happens when you are uncooperative.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

At some point you just stop dealing with the people throwing mud in your face every day. This is what happens when you are uncooperative.

If you're in another line of work yes. The prime minister needs to sit with stake holders.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by opendoor

That's the same guy who has said China will collapse within 5-10 years for the last 20 years or so, so I'd take his opinions with a grain of salt.

In recent years there has been a real trend of public intellectuals talking about things way outside their wheelhouse and being completely out of their depth (Malcolm Gladwell and Jordan Peterson being two famous examples). Zeihan doesn't necessarily fit that mold as he does have a geopolitical background, but Canada is hardly his expertise and like a lot of American analysts, he seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the rest of the world.

Slight tangent here, what was the Malcolm Gladwell example?


Edit: Nvm found plenty of material. I wouldn't call myself a fan of his, just generally aware of his work. But apparently not all of it. Just had an instinct that he was generally well thought of.

The more you know.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If you're in another line of work yes. The prime minister needs to sit with stake holders.

It's green energy, something Scott Moe has said "to hell with" Trudeau creating policies around. It was basically a publicity stop, it sounds like. It wasn't sitting down with stakeholders, not that Moe is interested in that. So when someone has fought you at every step, why invite them to collect political points on the very things they are against? These are what are known as "consequences", something toddlers learned about. Apparently Moe and Smith have not.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

At some point you just stop dealing with the people throwing mud in your face every day. This is what happens when you are uncooperative.

Or it's a slap in the face to the very people who voted in Moe. Trudeau doesn't give a #### about votes from Western Canada (because he doesn't need them), and it shows when he doesn't even bother letting the Saskatchewan peoples elected Premier know when he's visiting the province. But, he needs the royalties, so he stops in every once in awhile. He can hate Moe all he wants, but the very votes he's trying to get federally are the votes Moe got provincially. If Trudeau was smart, he would have invited Moe and let Moe decline.

[Fuzz]

Maybe this wasn't about collecting votes? This wasn't a slap to the face of voters at all. And how does the Prime Minister come to your province and you aren't even aware? To not get in touch with the PM office and say "hey, what's up with this?" before he showed up? Sounds like Moe's team dropped the ball on it.

Anyway, it's just a bunch of irrelevant bluster.

[Northendzone]

from what i have seen the PM's office dropped the ball on advising team moe. however, that being said, every time the PM shows up someplace, he has a team with him to deal with protocol/logistics etc, and this is not the PM's first trip.

you can read this as a honest mistake, but, i read it as the PM saying - ya, i'll occasionally show up in western canada only for general optics. I don't really care otherwise, because i don't need your votes

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe this wasn't about collecting votes? This wasn't a slap to the face of voters at all. And how does the Prime Minister come to your province and you aren't even aware? To not get in touch with the PM office and say "hey, what's up with this?" before he showed up? Sounds like Moe's team dropped the ball on it.

Anyway, it's just a bunch of irrelevant bluster.

You seem very politically biased. And increasingly so over time. I don't know you so this may not be true, but just my read over time reading your take of things. Sometimes it's okay to critique "your side" if they do stupid ####.

IMO on this "issue" (if it is one?) is that both Moe and Trudeau look pretty stupid over the whole thing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

You seem very politically biased. And increasingly so over time. I don't know you so this may not be true, but just my read over time reading your take of things. Sometimes it's okay to critique "your side" if they do stupid ####.

IMO on this "issue" (if it is one?) is that both Moe and Trudeau look pretty stupid over the whole thing.

It's not my side, it's my observation. Moe has been firmly against any environmental measures for everything. Again, this was a PR thing. Would you invite someone who treats you like crap constantly? Moe has shown no willingness to work with the feds on anything. Does Trudeau owe it to him?

And given the past...

It seemed like a glorious opportunity to improve the Saskatchewan government’s virtually non-existent relationship with the federal government … or at the very least, to have a direct dialogue to air differences face to face.


After all, Premier Scott Moe did have a lot to say about the need for more federal health and social transfers as he hosted other Western provincial and territorial leaders Friday.

Yet it’s hard to see Moe’s choice not to be in Saskatoon while Trudeau was there as anything other than a decision driven strictly by politics.

It seems more likely this is a little harmless retribution. Sorry Scotty, if you don't like the game, don't start it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's not my side, it's my observation. Moe has been firmly against any environmental measures for everything. Again, this was a PR thing. Would you invite someone who treats you like crap constantly? Moe has shown no willingness to work with the feds on anything. Does Trudeau owe it to him?

And given the past...

It seems more likely this is a little harmless retribution. Sorry Scotty, if you don't like the game, don't start it.

Yes. Whether he likes it or not is irrelevant. Its his job.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes. Whether he likes it or not is irrelevant. Its his job.

It's his job to meet with someone while on a publicity stop, when no meeting was requested, and was snubbed on a previous visit? Interesting theory.

My guess is if Moe was invited he'd have snubbed him on this visit, too.

[Firebot]

To be fair to Fuzz, Trudeau snubbed first nations on the first National Reconciliation Day of all days to go surfing. He's an equal opportunity snubber.

As Fuzz states here that Moe is mostly at fault for Trudeau's snub, Trudeau probably had a very good reason to snub first nation invitation as well. Sorry Tk’emlúps Nation, if you don't like the game don't start it, or something to that effect.

For the record, the Moe snub is a nothing burger my opinion, but doesn't warrant the shameless defending it's getting.

[Fuzz]

Just so I have this straight, it's OK for Moe to skip out on Trudeau, but Trudeau has an obligation to invite Moe every time, is that correct?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just so I have this straight, it's OK for Moe to skip out on Trudeau, but Trudeau has an obligation to invite Moe every time, is that correct?

It's like handing out an olive branch. If Moe doesn't take the invitation, that's on him and he is the one to look petty.

Right now it's Trudeau looking petty.

Both can look petty you know without needing to defend it?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just so I have this straight, it's OK for Moe to skip out on Trudeau, but Trudeau has an obligation to invite Moe every time, is that correct?

When it comes to announcements that occur in the jurisdiction that someone is elected to govern all the respective parties should be offered an invitation. Otherwise the announcement can be made just as effectively from the PMs residence or office.

[Fuzz]

Well clearly the usual Conservative supporters are upset about this, which should hurt Trudeau's chance of sweeping Alberta and Saskatchewan again.

Maybe it is becuase Trudeau has had enough of these clowns, and decided to do things for Canadians without their "help".

I have no idea if this was an accident or on purpose, and I don't really care, becuase I don't see why someone who gets treated so poorly should show any respect for those who treat him like that. I say good for him on this one, but I guess that makes me a Liberal bootlicker or something, rather than a human being who understands that bullying shouldn't be rewarded.

[iggy_oi]

Trudeau shouldn’t be excluding Moe from attending, at the same time though Moe(and Smith for that matter) shouldn’t be refusing to participate in the decarbonization forums that the federal government has been holding. Unforced errors by both the federal and provincial governments.

[Monahammer]

Moe and the people in his office are a bunch of ####ing losers. lol I am not surprised the PM didn't want to waste time talking to them. Even people on the same team think they're losers unworthy of talking to. The people offended by this move are uninformed/ looking for something to take offense to, and thus their offense will last only a short time before they're drawn to the next sparkle.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1615775026401132548

Someone has seen his polling numbers slip I’m thinking.

Convincing performance.