Flames dealt from a position of strength to address some deficiencies in the forward group. They didn't address all the problems, but the deal goes to shoring up the offensive output.
Hamilton was clearly a problem.
Brodie goes back to the right side. The Flames improve offensively. They avoid a Bouma situation where they're paying a bottom 6 forward big money to not doing anything in Ferland.
They hold onto all of their most NHL ready defensive prospects. They don't let a situation progress to an Erixon type last minute nail biter.
Hanifin is the better player as compared to Hamilton right now IMO.
I love this trade.
Exactly. Summed it up perfectly.
A high ceiling Center/Rw, the cost of those is astronomical.
And to land a high ceiling defenceman as well, both of those do not grow on trees and you can never pry them from another team.
Treliving on 960 said Fox's representative made it clear they were going to have a situation here (meaning he wasn't going to sign)
Yep, as soon as he went back for his third year I knew he was gone. Harvard is different than most schools, as the degree is really special....plus the log jam at D....plus getting a free chance to sign with whoever you want.
He made his mind up this spring and the Flames likely already knew this but kept it under wraps that they knew until a trade was made.
I'll miss Ferland too. I think they're probably selling high on him and he'd settle in as a middle 6 winger, but he seemed like such a pain to play against
If...
Hamilton was a problem
And...
Fox wasn't signing here
Then...
I really like this trade. I think Lindholm will be great and I see Hanifin being another Brodie at this point so let's see how they look with a new coach.
I assume this was a joke?
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Throw in means he had little to no value in the deal. None of us know how much CAR valued his inclusion in the deal. But if his value was little to nothing I think Treliving would have moved him elsewhere.
To assume he was thrown in as having little value seems like a very bad assumption that I’m not sure why some posters at leaping at.
Obviously he had no value to the Flames in this deal. Teams know he's not going to sign with Calgary so they aren't gonna offer up much to acquire him unless they are certain he is going to sign with them, to which there is no real certainty. Fox is also a prospect and not an established player so theirs no guarantee you even gain any value if you know he will sign. Sounds like very little value was placed by both teams, but who really knows.
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Treliving flat out said his “agent” let the Flames know he wasn’t going to sign in Calgary
"Representation".
I don't think they are allowed agents unless going pro.
But he said essentially that there was little chance Fox would sign Calgary.
He also stated, without saying as much, that Hamilton was an issue either because of his off ice life or his on ice performance and inability to meld in with the club or there was a trade demand. When asked directly if there was a trade request BT could have just said, "no". Instead he went on to say that he has relationships with his players and he wants to keep all such things internalized. He went out of his way to do so as well. It was odd.
At least that's what I came away from it feeling.
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Fox being unwilling to sign is a good reason to trade his rights. It is not a good reason to treat him as little more than a throw-in.
But what does throw in even mean? It seems to be more of a fan used term to show dissatisfaction with a player given away or acquired in a trade. Technically a trade took everything that was included to become the trade.
A player isn't thrown into a trade, he's added to complete the trade.
I think once Fox was offered up GM's likely knew something was up so it would make more sense to add him to a big trade than to try to get a little value back in a single trade from a league of GM's who now know what they're trading for.
Yeah I dont mind ferland and hamilton out but its the value that I hate. Hamonic is worth a 1st and two seconds then hamilton should have been worth a kings ransom.
Feels like treliving overpaid for Hamonic and underachived on his return for Hamilton.
I really like the players coming in but this is like a feaster trade value wise.
I think the information dissemination in the NHL is close to perfect. Very rarely are there surprises and everyone seems to know everyone’s business. If Hamilton wasn’t great in the room and/or Fox weren’t signing would materially impact the values those players had.
Like everyone I wish we could fleece someone but it very rarely happens. It happens, but it doesn’t happen often.
I don't think we can assume the issues with Hamilton were about his relationship with his teammates. It seems it was more management and coaches were frustrated with him. Needing his brother on the team, the complaining before he was put on the top pairing with Gio, taking loads of undisciplined penalties in his own zone, the impression that he didn't accept responsibility for his mistakes. Even little things like not showing up for the mandatory media session on garbage bag day - it's not as though the other players enjoy those things. It all speaks to someone who is highly entitled and doesn't listen or learn from others.
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