[Trade] CAR trade Faulk (extended for 7 yrs, $6.5m), 5th to STL for Joel Edmundson, Bokk, 7th

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Either way they need a top 4.

Well then someone has to play their offside. I can’t think of a single RHD who plays the left side in the league. So you’re giving a guy a huge contract assuming the pieces are going to fit without seeing them play a single game together.


Seems questionable. Faulk could easily end up being on their third pairing here.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

Someone tell me how to feel about this

Brodie has more value then we think still.

The fact that him+Jankowski almost got Kadri, and now Faulk got this package, means that Brodie would still have value in a deal.

[agulati]

Good trade for the hurricanes as well as a good pickup by St. Louis. Looks like a win-win trade at first glance.

[Strange Brew]

Its the extension that makes this trade work. If you want this kind of return for Brodie, you'd think the acquiring team would want to have negotiated something.

I don't think a 7 year term for Faulk is bad. That would be like 5 years fro Brodie which seems just fine.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I don't get it.

Why would a team with Pietrangelo and Parayko want Faulk?

They're clearly trading one of those two

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well then someone has to play their offside. I can’t think of a single RHD who plays the left side in the league. So you’re giving a guy a huge contract assuming the pieces are going to fit without seeing them play a single game together.


Seems questionable. Faulk could easily end up being on their third pairing here.

Yeah. You are right. If I had to guess, I’d think they are moving Pietrangelo, who probably expects a raise next year.

[dustygoon]

Since when did Don Waddell become good at GMing.

I honestly thought his hire would lead the Canes into the dark ages. I know Eric Tulsky is key to a lot they do, but Don should get some credit.

[Flash Walken]

Great Trade for Carolina.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Since when did Don Waddell become good at GMing.

I honestly thought his hire would lead the Canes into the dark ages. I know Eric Tulsky is key to a lot they do, but Don should get some credit.

Really the only questionable trade he has made was the deal with the Flames but I think much of that was ownership making a statement about RFA negotiations.

The Canes have had a nice summer and they made some good moves last year as well

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Really the only questionable trade he has made was the deal with the Flames but I think much of that was ownership making a statement about RFA negotiations.

The Canes have had a nice summer and they made some good moves last year as well

Even then, the trade itself for Carolina—in terms of the players involved—was a very good one. It didn't work out so great because of Ferland's and Fox's decision to play elsewhere, but if they had those two on the same deals they signed with NYR and Vancouver, this would still have been a great deal for them.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well then someone has to play their offside. I can’t think of a single RHD who plays the left side in the league. So you’re giving a guy a huge contract assuming the pieces are going to fit without seeing them play a single game together.


Seems questionable. Faulk could easily end up being on their third pairing here.

Last year Carolina had Faulk, Hamilton, Pesce and TVR all as right shots, so at least one was playing on the off-wing.

[Jore]

I have no love for the Canes, but they did really well here. Faulk is a mistake prone 2nd pairing defender who feasts on the first PP. Both Pesce and Hamilton are vastly superior. TVR can fill in his 5 on 5 minutes no problem and Hamilton now gets the PP1 time that Faulk took. In return they get a recent 1st round pick forward, which they need, and defensive depth.

No idea what St Louis is doing

[lazypucker]

Initial when I read the title I thought it said Faulk traded to Edmonton... but it's actually for Edmundson.

Sigh or relief for everyone involved...

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I don't get it.

Why would a team with Pietrangelo and Parayko want Faulk?

Why wouldn't they want to upgrade their defense core?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Even then, the trade itself for Carolina—in terms of the players involved—was a very good one. It didn't work out so great because of Ferland's and Fox's decision to play elsewhere, but if they had those two on the same deals they signed with NYR and Vancouver, this would still have been a great deal for them.

And they did essentially get 2 2nd's for Fox, and if Rangers are no good those are high 2nds.

There was a lot of value exchanged in that trade, even if Flames came out on the good side.

The funny thing is, if you asked Carolina fans what the biggest upgrade for them was last year, I think they'd say at head coach. Which is just kind of interesting, as many Flames fans would say the same thing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Not the destination I would have thought, especially with so many teams having a weak right side. You'd have thought Edmonton or Winnipeg would be front runners, but I suppose Faulk might have said "screw that" to those options. Or even NYC, given that they're trying to accelerate the rebuild there, although they might think Fox and Deangelo are going to fill those 2nd and 3rd pairing roles quickly.

[sureLoss]

Andy Strickland @andystrickland
Carolina is keeping 14% of Justin Faulk's salary this season #stlblues

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And they did essentially get 2 2nd's for Fox, and if Rangers are no good those are high 2nds.

There was a lot of value exchanged in that trade, even if Flames came out on the good side.

The funny thing is, if you asked Carolina fans what the biggest upgrade for them was last year, I think they'd say at head coach. Which is just kind of interesting, as many Flames fans would say the same thing.

I think this probably shows that most fans aren't able to distinguish "good" from "bad" coaching. While I think there was definitely an improvement behind the bench in Calgary, it is pretty clear that the biggest difference made was the upgrade in on-ice personnel.

For Carolina, I don't know how one ignores the difference that quality goaltending are for them last year. With the disastrous duo of Cam Ward and Scott Darling the Hurricanes were #24 in GA in 2017–18. They improved dramatically to #8 behind McElhinney and Mrazek last year.

[Itse]

There's also such a thing as 'fit' for coaching.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this probably shows that most fans aren't able to distinguish "good" from "bad" coaching. While I think there was definitely an improvement behind the bench in Calgary, it is pretty clear that the biggest difference made was the upgrade in on-ice personnel.

For Carolina, I don't know how one ignores the difference that quality goaltending are for them last year. With the disastrous duo of Cam Ward and Scott Darling the Hurricanes were #24 in GA in 2017–18. They improved dramatically to #8 behind McElhinney and Mrazek last year.

Too simple imo.

There are many articles that make the case that goaltending stats are a function of team play. (Obviously a goalie can suck his way in to a .8xx sv% by not saving what he should, but a goalie who does save what he should will have a sv% influences by team play. Look no further than D Sutter vs Keenan era Kipper)

Gulutzan had demonstrably horrible strategies and laughable motivational abilities that had some folks on this site tearing their hair out . That coaching change was addition by subtraction.

How dare you not blame Gulutzan for his failings! Johnny is not a 61 point player!