Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Reminds me of the UCP and the Allan inquiry.

Heck it reminds me of the UCP and the Preston Manning inquiry going on right now.

Yeah but you outrage when the UCP does it and when the Liberals do the same, it's politics at its finest? Politics seem pointless when corruption is accepted as long as it doesn't come from the parties I don't like.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Are you okay with the way the Liberals & Trudeau are handling this?

If not, will you vote NDP next federal election?

Well, you never know. I’m voting NDP provincially. Not because I like them, but because the alternative is unconscionable.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah but you outrage when the UCP does it and when the Liberals do the same, it's politics at its finest? Politics seem pointless when corruption is accepted as long as it doesn't come from the parties I don't like.

Oh please. My point is appointing allies isn't something only Trudeau does. It's what politicians do.

You getting defensive sure makes it seem like you don't like that opinion though.

You should stop getting so hot and bothered

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Oh please. My point is appointing allies isn't something only Trudeau does. It's what politicians do.

You getting defensive sure makes it seem like you don't like that opinion though.

You should stop getting so hot and bothered

Your post read as “all political parties do this, politics suck, but what can you do”

Its not unreasonable to interpret that as acceptance, as you could have gone on to chide the Liberals for doing it. Especially given the higher stakes.

This is a major power influencing our elections to control us, not some anti oil protest investigation.

[Ozy_Flame]

Ah, and here we go - the perceived magnitude of the issue by a partisan slant is the real problem. I said Justin was in the hot seat. Do you want me to up the outrage?


And Anti-oil campaigns? Healthcare? Piddly poo. But Chinese interference? You can't just slam politicians, you have to slam liberals! This is an outrage!

I assume we're just not going to talk about compromised conservative politicians while we're at it, right?

The right-wing woke mind is something to behold. Truly partisan beyond words.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Ah, and here we go - the perceived magnitude of the issue by a partisan slant is the real problem. I said Justin was in the hot seat. Do you want me to up the outrage?


And Anti-oil campaigns? Healthcare? Piddly poo. But Chinese interference? You can't just slam politicians, you have to slam liberals! This is an outrage!

I assume we're just not going to talk about compromised conservative politicians while we're at it, right?

The right-wing woke mind is something to behold. Truly partisan beyond words.

You’re making a fool of yourself in this thread. I would stick to the Alberta Provincial thread and you can bash Smith all you want.

What is going on at a Federal level is an attack on the very bedrock of our democracy regardless of what party you voted for.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by blender

I love it.
It's like the Liberals are trolling all the Conservatives and their base. Like saying "we dare you to do something about it"
The fact that the Conservatives are so bereft of actual leadership that they pose no threat to the Liberals must be part of the calculation. In fact, one could argue that the Conservative Party is actually to blame for this!

More like they're trolling the NDP, who have the power to bring down the government.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not at all. Justin's on the hot seat. But other people appoint allies to their causes so it's not like this is something new.

Politics at its finest.

Its like when your party forms a government, and everyone is screaming about how broken the health care system is, so you designate $30 million and hire a 'friend' to do a review.

Been happening for years.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Yoho

You’re making a fool of yourself in this thread. I would stick to the Alberta Provincial thread and you can bash Smith all you want.

What is going on at a Federal level is an attack on the very bedrock of our democracy regardless of what party you voted for.

Wow.

Tell me you lack self awareness without telling me you lack self awareness.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Wow.

Tell me you lack self awareness without telling me you lack self awareness.

I give props to him for actually emoting and not just robotically posting far-right Tweets!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Oh please. My point is appointing allies isn't something only Trudeau does. It's what politicians do.

You getting defensive sure makes it seem like you don't like that opinion though.

You should stop getting so hot and bothered

This one is different. This is analogous to Kenny canceling the investigation into his leadership fraud.

Because of the seriousness of the allegations and it’s potential impact on the underpinnings of our democracy it needs to both be impartial and appear impartial.

Things dealing with policy like the Allan inquiry or Manning inquiry are designed as political theater to provide backing for these positions. Everyone knows that. To suggest that the same level of theater on an investigation into the underpinning of democracy should be treated with the same level of outrage is not appropriate.

One of the most important aspects of the outcome of this commission will be people having faith that the commission investigated the right things and evaluated the evidence dispassionately. Having an obvious conflict of interest doesn’t allow for this

[PepsiFree]

Tough to take words of caution about “an attack on the very bedrock of our democracy” seriously from a pro-Russian election denier.

Perhaps the poster in question better leave the conversation to the many posters already contributing that actually bring something worthwhile.

[Azure]

Tough to have faith if the person looking after the commission is a 'family friend.'

[PeteMoss]

I do hate the idea that now that is leaking in from the US that person X (mainly judges) can't be trusted because they were appointed by either the Liberals or Conservatives (depending on your lean). Things aren't as polarized here and people should be able to be trusted if they are judges/high level appointees.

That said - in this case - if this guy is a good friend of Trudeau - they should use someone different and they are right to be called out for this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Dany Fortin suing the Government, Trudeau and Saijan, Eyre and others for $6 million dollars. Likely to get the Norman settlement.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/seni...r-6m-1.6314866

OTTAWA - Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin, a senior military officer who was acquitted of a sexual assault charge late last year, has filed a $6-million lawsuit against the Canadian government.
Fortin, who was dropped as the lead for Canada's COVID-19 vaccine program in early 2021, has named 16 high-ranking officials in a wide-ranging suit, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, chief of the defence staff Gen. Wayne Eyre, former defence minister Harjit Sajjan and former health minister Patty Hajdu.
A statement of claim filed on Wednesday with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice accuses the officials of "reprehensible, extreme, flagrant and high-handed" conduct and seeks $5 million in general damages and $1 million in punitive damages.

he document alleges that Fortin suffered the damages due to defamation and misfeasance in public office. It also accuses the officials of negligent investigation, the inappropriate public disclosure of private facts, breach of confidence and conspiracy to cause damages.

The military formally cleared Fortin of misconduct on the balance of probabilities in January, and said it would assign him to a new role. But the lawsuit alleges the Canadian Armed Forces is either refusing or unreasonably delaying his reintegration.
The statement of claim says that's because defendants it names as "political actors" have "made it clear" to the military's leadership that Fortin cannot return to his regular duties, have "tarnished" his reputation with the military itself and have created a climate in which someone who "has done nothing wrong" cannot advance their career once someone else makes an allegation.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I do hate the idea that now that is leaking in from the US that person X (mainly judges) can't be trusted because they were appointed by either the Liberals or Conservatives (depending on your lean). Things aren't as polarized here and people should be able to be trusted if they are judges/high level appointees.

That said - in this case - if this guy is a good friend of Trudeau - they should use someone different and they are right to be called out for this.

no if here. Trudeau has publicly said he's a good family friend, and as previously posted, the guy is involved with the Trudeau foundation.

just the stupidest choice possible, if you're looking to have any credibility.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

no if here. Trudeau has publicly said he's a good family friend, and as previously posted, the guy is involved with the Trudeau foundation.

just the stupidest choice possible, if you're looking to have any credibility.

This I absolutely agree with. Optics matter. Should have had the Senate come up with a neutral third-party or something along those lines.

[Fuzz]

I think Justin has been good at exposing flaws in our democratic system(purposefully or not!). Any investigation involving the PM or governing party should be totally out of their hands.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Yoho

You’re making a fool of yourself in this thread. I would stick to the Alberta Provincial thread and you can bash Smith all you want.

What is going on at a Federal level is an attack on the very bedrock of our democracy regardless of what party you voted for.

Sorry Ozy, gotta agree with Yoho on this one. I mean, if anyone would know about making a fool of themselves... Yoho's kind of an expert on the subject.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Say what you will, selecting David Johnston is very, very on brand for Trudeau.