View Poll Results: What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
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He should and will be fired
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17.06% |
He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM
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277 |
28.29% |
He should not and will not be fired
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He should not but will be fired
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2.76% |
Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired
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Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired
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18.69% |
06-01-2021, 10:05 PM
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#3941
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Self Imposed Retirement
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Calgary
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What's telling to me is that the Flames couldn't win 4 games in a row even once.
If they had gone on a single winning streak of 4 to 6 or more games they would have easily made the playoffs but they didn't and it's because they're just not a good enough team, blame it on whatever you like. That's on the GM to figure out.
They simply couldn't win a couple more games. But being so close they may be optimistic and looking at the glass as half full which I think is a mistake in this case.
I think it may have been during Hartley's tenure one season when the Flames were going through a rough stretch but they ended up going on a 8 game or so winning streak and it saved their season and they made the playoffs. This current group can't do it.
Darryl Sutter is a good coach and maybe fitness is an issue but I don't think those two things are what ails the Flames.
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06-02-2021, 09:14 AM
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#3943
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rutuu
As for scoring, if we scored at the same rate we did this we score 228 goals next year. Around 230 goals and 200 goals against, you can win a Stanley Cup.
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You can win the cup with a 30 goal differential? Well - Yes you can technically win the cup with any goal differential...But that is not a contender differential
In this years 56 games season this is the top 10 goal differential teams
Vegas 67
Colorado 64
Carolina 43
Pitts 40
Toronto 39
Florida 36
TB 34
Boston 32
Edmonton 29
Washington 28
Over the truncated season a 30 goal differential is equal to 20
Here are the teams at a 20 goal differential from this year
Winnipeg
Minny
NYR
So in your optomistic scenario where we finish top 5 in GA were are sitting in the differential of the Jets and Wild.
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06-02-2021, 04:26 PM
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#3944
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
You can win the cup with a 30 goal differential? Well - Yes you can technically win the cup with any goal differential...But that is not a contender differential
In this years 56 games season this is the top 10 goal differential teams
Vegas 67
Colorado 64
Carolina 43
Pitts 40
Toronto 39
Florida 36
TB 34
Boston 32
Edmonton 29
Washington 28
Over the truncated season a 30 goal differential is equal to 20
Here are the teams at a 20 goal differential from this year
Winnipeg
Minny
NYR
So in your optomistic scenario where we finish top 5 in GA were are sitting in the differential of the Jets and Wild.
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A 30 goal differential alone will put you in the top half of the playoffs, so top quartile of the league. Having a defense that allows less than 200 goals makes you elite in that category and a true top 3 team on that side of the puck.
That smothering style we call playoff hockey looks a lot like a team that allows less than 200 goals in a season, and can put the puck in the net slightly better than middle of the pack.
Separate the two metrics and start going back through the NHL standings first sorting on goal diff, then on goals against and which teams can score around 230 goals. In my opinion there is a difference between a team that scores 260 goals and allows 230 vs a team that scores 230 and allows 200.
Now build through the draft so you can score 230+ goals and keep your GA down around 200 and you're an elite elite team...like Colorado this year...although there is serious skew from schedules this season.
Last edited by Rutuu; 06-02-2021 at 04:29 PM.
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06-02-2021, 04:54 PM
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#3945
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Franchise Player
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Recent cup winners:
Team GF GA DIFF League Avg Goals/game
TBL 287 228 59 3.02
STL 247 223 24 3.01
WAS 259 239 20 2.97
PIT 282 234 48 2.77
PIT 245 203 42 2.71
CHI 229 189 40 2.73
LAK 206 174 32 2.74
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06-02-2021, 05:30 PM
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#3946
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutuu
A 30 goal differential alone will put you in the top half of the playoffs, so top quartile of the league. Having a defense that allows less than 200 goals makes you elite in that category and a true top 3 team on that side of the puck.
That smothering style we call playoff hockey looks a lot like a team that allows less than 200 goals in a season, and can put the puck in the net slightly better than middle of the pack.
Separate the two metrics and start going back through the NHL standings first sorting on goal diff, then on goals against and which teams can score around 230 goals. In my opinion there is a difference between a team that scores 260 goals and allows 230 vs a team that scores 230 and allows 200.
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The post you quoted suggests you would actually be in the 13-16 range.
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06-07-2021, 03:40 AM
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#3947
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutuu
A 30 goal differential alone will put you in the top half of the playoffs, so top quartile of the league. Having a defense that allows less than 200 goals makes you elite in that category and a true top 3 team on that side of the puck.
That smothering style we call playoff hockey looks a lot like a team that allows less than 200 goals in a season, and can put the puck in the net slightly better than middle of the pack.
Separate the two metrics and start going back through the NHL standings first sorting on goal diff, then on goals against and which teams can score around 230 goals. In my opinion there is a difference between a team that scores 260 goals and allows 230 vs a team that scores 230 and allows 200.
Now build through the draft so you can score 230+ goals and keep your GA down around 200 and you're an elite elite team...like Colorado this year...although there is serious skew from schedules this season.
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There is a big difference between a +30 goal differential team (even one with a good GAA) and this years Av’s team which would be close to +100 over a full season.
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06-15-2021, 08:45 AM
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#3948
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I was browsing through some Athletic hockey podcasts and found one on the Full 60 with Craig Conroy back at the end of April. After listening to what he had to say I definitely am aboard the fire Tre train. Apparently Brad does not listen to others suggestions including Craig's and seems like a stubborn guy that has to have it his way and doesn't care what the rest of his staff think.
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06-15-2021, 08:54 AM
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#3949
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I was browsing through some Athletic hockey podcasts and found one on the Full 60 with Craig Conroy back at the end of April. After listening to what he had to say I definitely am aboard the fire Tre train. Apparently Brad does not listen to others suggestions including Craig's and seems like a stubborn guy that has to have it his way and doesn't care what the rest of his staff think.
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LOL, if Craig actually said that on a public podcast, he must not be worried about job security.
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06-15-2021, 09:27 AM
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#3950
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
LOL, if Craig actually said that on a public podcast, he must not be worried about job security.
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I’m gonna go way out on a limb and say I imagine there’s a lot of reading between the lines going on in that interpretation.
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06-15-2021, 09:28 AM
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#3951
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I was browsing through some Athletic hockey podcasts and found one on the Full 60 with Craig Conroy back at the end of April. After listening to what he had to say I definitely am aboard the fire Tre train. Apparently Brad does not listen to others suggestions including Craig's and seems like a stubborn guy that has to have it his way and doesn't care what the rest of his staff think.
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That's exactly what he said? That seems strange.
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06-15-2021, 09:50 AM
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#3952
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
I was browsing through some Athletic hockey podcasts and found one on the Full 60 with Craig Conroy back at the end of April. After listening to what he had to say I definitely am aboard the fire Tre train. Apparently Brad does not listen to others suggestions including Craig's and seems like a stubborn guy that has to have it his way and doesn't care what the rest of his staff think.
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Are you able to provide a bit more context? Because if true that’s freaking wild.
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06-15-2021, 10:04 AM
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#3953
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Are you able to provide a bit more context? Because if true that’s freaking wild.
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Conroy says when Brian was here he relied on his staff, with Brad he does it himself. With Brad he comes out of his office, tells us, and then goes back in whether we like the deal or don't it is Brad who likes to do the deals. Says they are on the outs when it comes to deals, would love to be on the action but Brad "hogs it to himself".
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06-15-2021, 10:05 AM
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#3954
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I’m gonna go way out on a limb and say I imagine there’s a lot of reading between the lines going on in that interpretation.
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Feel free to listen to it yourself.
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06-15-2021, 10:10 AM
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#3955
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Feel free to listen to it yourself.
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Link it for us all.
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06-15-2021, 10:14 AM
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#3956
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#1 Goaltender
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I just listened myself, and Craig basically said that under Burke the assistants were allowed to reach out on their own to people on other teams to see what was available and talk deals, but with Treliving there is none of that. Everything goes through him, and then he tells the assistants what is going on and what is going to happen. Definitely felt like he doesn't even solicit opinions from the assistants.
Craig kind of brushed it off... but why even have assistants if you're not going to get opinions on things. I dunno, I definitely didn't like the sound of it. I've been on the fire Treliving bandwagon longer than almost anyone, so that might be colouring my opinion of it.
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06-15-2021, 10:23 AM
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#3959
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Conroy says when Brian was here he relied on his staff, with Brad he does it himself. With Brad he comes out of his office, tells us, and then goes back in whether we like the deal or don't it is Brad who likes to do the deals. Says they are on the outs when it comes to deals, would love to be on the action but Brad "hogs it to himself".
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Sounds like a Brad thing to do.
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06-15-2021, 10:23 AM
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#3960
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
I just listened myself, and Craig basically said that under Burke the assistants were allowed to reach out on their own to people on other teams to see what was available and talk deals, but with Treliving there is none of that. Everything goes through him, and then he tells the assistants what is going on and what is going to happen. Definitely felt like he doesn't even solicit opinions from the assistants.
Craig kind of brushed it off... but why even have assistants if you're not going to get opinions on things. I dunno, I definitely didn't like the sound of it. I've been on the fire Treliving bandwagon longer than almost anyone, so that might be colouring my opinion of it.
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Trades are only a fraction of the job of an NHL executive team. It might help a GM to get second opinions on developing deals, but I can also see why a GM might want the negotiations themselves to be 1-on-1. I’d be curious to see how famously hardnosed GMs like Lamoriello and Yzerman handle trade negotiations.
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