[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Muta]

Once the medical brain drain starts leaving to other provinces in even greater numbers (and it will, conservatives will feel it too despite their denials), maybe we really should take a page from the UCP book... take homeopathic advice instead of actual medical advice, blame ourselves for cancer but also realize smoking has health benefits (Smith said so), wait in the ER for way too many hours because of our bad decisions (although the lobby TV will tell us wait times are down for some reason), lie in a stretcher in the hallway for a while, then die. Oh yeah, don't forget to pay your $30 user fee before entering.

[blender]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

I thought today would be better than yesterday, but the overbearing feeling of impending doom has just got worse instead of better.

I spoke to my best friend last night, who is an ER doctor and they said they have already begun steps to leave the province. I am devastated.

We have so much to address in this province and I can’t believe I’m wasting my time and energy coming to grips with the election results. We should be scaling clean energy projects, defending 2SLGBTQ++ rights, and addressing the coming climate catastrophe. Instead we have taken two steps back and are fighting Trumpism from completely rotting the fabric of society.

I am looking at leaving the province as soon as possible. But I feel like there is no place to go? At this point I can imagine applying for MAiD because this is getting unbearable.

Step away from the ledge.
Try counting your blessings.
Don't joke about MAiD; it's for people with physical health problems, not people who don't like their government. Health care system is overwhelmed as it is.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I don't know why a doctor would even want to work in rural Alberta. They already have massive shortages, so your going to be working non-stop. You'll also have to deal with whooping cough outbreaks because your patients didn't listen to you about having their kids vaccinated, and instead figured God would sort them out. Maybe they demand a prescription for horse paste and won't leave until you give it to them.

It'd just be a hopeless depressing battle against stupidity. No thanks.

I have a couple doctor friends who would probably say stupidity is abundant in both rural and urban centers.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by blender

Don't joke about MAiD; it's for people with real problems, not people who don't like their government. Health care system is overwhelmed as it is.

You should delete this advice. You are minimizing potentially very real and serious concerns, especially as it relates to mental health.

ynma03: If you are in distress, please immediately call Alberta Mental Health Help Line at 1-(877)-303-2642

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by blender

Step away from the ledge.
Try counting your blessings.
Don't joke about MAiD; it's for people with real problems, not people who don't like their government. Health care system is overwhelmed as it is.

Yeah MAiD is no joke. My FIL used it in 2020 and my own father used it a couple months ago. It is not an easy process, especially emotionally, both on the patient and the family. I am so thankful it exists, and it is one of the major things I am glad the Liberals did get right. But it is not something to just be bandied around because of an election.

Edit: Ozy made a good point, and if this is something that the OP was actually seriously thinking about, they need to call for help now. I just don't want to see it bandied around in the same vein as "moving provinces" because it really delegitimizes it's role in our system.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

The details of the bill are really irrelevant, and they did amend it a couple of times fix some of the errors. But farmers do not like being told what to do and how to do it, especially by city folks and politicians.

City folks don’t like being told what to do by city folks or politicians either. Unfortunately we live in a democratic society where you have to find a compromise on certain things.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Firebot is on point with the ‘grass is always greener’ remark. People in B.C and Ontario are also complaining about conservative governments, underfunding of education, and the crisis in health care capacity. On top of that, most people in those provinces are priced out of home ownership. So where, exactly, do all the people intending to leave Alberta plan to go where they won’t face those issues?

That's a pretty narrow-minded way of looking at things, and I feel like you and others making these points here are doing it from a pretty privileged position in life. Nowhere is perfect, but it's about picking a place that best suits you. Hostility has been ramping up towards some groups, especially in the last few years as bigots feel more comfortable saying the ugly parts out loud. These groups want some stability, to have a community where they feel welcome, and while there is progress happening, Alberta doesn't feel safe right now. The election just confirms what they've feared all along - there's no signs that this will get better soon. It's not as extreme as what's happening in some US states, but it's starting to feel like it might go that way. Maybe the place they choose has some of the same issues as here, but that place doesn't attack someone for being "wrong" as a human being. That's an improvement.

It's not an insignificant decision to make to leave, and the careless response from some here who think these people are just being reactionary have no idea how many years of pain these people go through before making that decision. There's only so much you can put up with before you give up.

I'm being intentionally vague on some particulars because it's not my place to share the personal details of other people's experiences publicly, and frankly I don't know everything going through their heads. All I can say is that it's up to those of us who stick around to keep trying to make this province what we want it to be, and to make people feel welcome.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Don't think it's helpful to go into catastrophic thinking mode just to make a point to UCP supporters, but Smith seriously needs to learn from her tenure thus far and take (better) advice on how to move forward.

Hopefully she doesn't regard people's concerns over the course of the election as just noise.

Her actions since Monday haven't provided much encouragement.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

I thought today would be better than yesterday, but the overbearing feeling of impending doom has just got worse instead of better.

I spoke to my best friend last night, who is an ER doctor and they said they have already begun steps to leave the province. I am devastated.

We have so much to address in this province and I can’t believe I’m wasting my time and energy coming to grips with the election results. We should be scaling clean energy projects, defending 2SLGBTQ++ rights, and addressing the coming climate catastrophe. Instead we have taken two steps back and are fighting Trumpism from completely rotting the fabric of society.

I am looking at leaving the province as soon as possible. But I feel like there is no place to go? At this point I can imagine applying for MAiD because this is getting unbearable.

I am not sure if you are active on social media or a lot of web forums like this, but do your mental health a favor and get off as soon as you can. Stay away from that garbage.

There is so much negativity across the board that it is destroying the fabric of society.

I know your disappointed and upset about everything, while other's are excited and happy. If the NDP would have won, the situation would be reversed for some as well.

Don't think of things like "impending doom" the sun will rise and your life should be the same as it was yesterday, the day before, last year and tomorrow. Albertan's are friendly people and you have been dealing with them in person as long as you have been here. Nothing like that will change.

When we always hear negative messaging across the board, it depresses us all and it makes us think things are worse than they are.

Stay strong and healthy

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Stewie991

If people are leaving based on a 4 year Election cycle, let them leave. We don’t need them!

I think UCP voters threatening to leave would be closer to your example. The NDP doesnt have a dynasty in this Province. Every NDP win (one) is always likely going to be a one-off

Many people considering leaving now are seeing the writing on the wall. 53% of voters voted for Danielle ####ing Smith. Like, really? Look at her track record! Look at the crap she said for decades on her talk show! Look at the leaders of TBA - all home schooled religious wingbats!

The people seriously consider leaving are looking at this party's attempts to make this Province more republican, more american, and more divisive, and the voters are latching on to those ideas - I've been called a commie, debt lover, antifa, Environmental wingnut for the mere fact that I'm a centrist who voted for an orange party.

Do we think this is going to change in 4 years? do you think the UCP is going to become more rational? Nah.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Alberta is a lot of things, it isn't just one thing with one goal. Born and raised here and I don't think I have the right to ask, imply, or tell anyone to leave. I honestly don't know why you think you do? We have Cities and rural communities that tend to have different way of looking at things, and people within both that also differ. There is no "Alberta way" and there is also no need to "take back Alberta" from anything.

If there is an Alberta way please let this GenXer that was born and raised here know, because I honestly don't know what that is and if any one claims to know they are the one that is really trying to change Alberta to "their" values.

Join the club born and raised here isn’t a badge.

An election was had and you and a large majority of CP voted for the losing party there is no emergency or crisis.

You don’t see conservatives in the federal thread saying “I just am not inspired” by Liberals.

We know it’s a #%*+ sandwich till the next election.

You voted and lost, you are the minority in this Province move on best of luck next time.

This doesn’t require a public inquiry.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hopefully she doesn't regard people's concerns over the course of the election as just noise.

Her actions since Monday haven't provided much encouragement.

She's disregarding them so much already that she has proposed hiring the people that Edmontonians voted against to govern them.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663854497054052352

The great civil war that has torn the conservative movement in Alberta asunder for the past 15 years must now be declared over. Wildrose won. That rural-libertarian faction is now directing the foot soldiers in the big conservative tent. The party is led by a former Wildrose leader, surrounded by a Wildrose brain trust, and energized by a cadre emboldened by the zeal of victory.

All of the energy of this party now belongs to groups like Take Back Alberta, once an insurgency, now a faction that put forward some of the party’s most controversial candidates. Individuals affiliated with the group now hold half of the UCP’s board, and there’s no sign that their ambitions have been sated.

Meanwhile, Rob Anderson, one of the key architects of the Free Alberta Strategy – which calls on Alberta to consider independence as a final resort if Ottawa fails to kowtow to measures that it admitted would foment a constitutional crisis – now works in the Premier’s office.

But permit no illusions. This is not your father’s PC party.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...rm-control-of/

Noted far left political commentator, Jen Gerson, nails it again. This is the UCP you voted for.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Cappy

The people seriously consider leaving are looking at this party's attempts to make this Province more republican, more american, and more divisive, and the voters are latching on to those ideas - I've been called a commie, debt lover, antifa, Environmental wingnut for the mere fact that I'm a centrist who voted for an orange party.

I love the antifa insult.. like when did it become bad to be anti-fascist? Weren't we all Antifa like 70 years ago.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Pepsi free you were whining in other threads about baby boomers why you couldn’t afford a house I highly doubt you pay more if any taxes.

Yoho's go to is always "I make more money than you!"

show us the receipts, boy.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Holy are you ever dumb.

One of my favourite silver medalists.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So you’d say the same about businesses that would threaten to leave or not come here if NDP won?

Which businesses would've left? seriously? what policy did the NDP propose that would have seen any business leave Alberta???

[Muta]

What exactly are we 'Taking Back Alberta' from?

I feel free as a tumbleweed in a desert, and have for my entire life.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Don't think it's helpful to go into catastrophic thinking mode just to make a point to UCP supporters, but Smith seriously needs to learn from her tenure thus far and take (better) advice on how to move forward.

Hopefully she doesn't regard people's concerns over the course of the election as just noise.

Her actions since Monday haven't provided much encouragement.

She was fired from her first elected position - no learning occurred.
Lost to Redford after defecting when polls showed she could win - no learning.
She was ousted in the nominations after her defection back to the PCs in Highwood - no learning occurred.
She barely squeaked in in her leadership bid, on a 6th ballot at support levels equalling those that made Kenney resign - no learning.
She had to retract things she said umpteen times in this term - no leanring.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Yoho's go to is always "I make more money than you!"

show us the receipts, boy.

UCP war room twitter trolls are absurdly overpaid, so I believe him.