[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

Flames and Huberdeau can console each other. And eventually...love will bloom.

They can make little Guberdreaus

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Capfriendly says Tkachuk did not get any trade protection with his new contract.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/...img=1658619491

That often gets reported later.

Hard to believe he didn’t get something.

[Gaskal]

That's gotta be the most anti buyout contract in the history of the NHL lmao

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

That's gotta be the most anti buyout contract in the history of the NHL lmao

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the tax advantage would be the biggest reason for this as well. Signing bonus should be 100% applicable to Florida’s no state tax, and only the 1 million per year Salary would be affected by various state and provincial tax rates for the various cities travelled for road games.

Seems to me this is a great way to maximize tax advantage as a Florida hockey player

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the tax advantage would be the biggest reason for this as well. Signing bonus should be 100% applicable to Florida’s no state tax, and only the 1 million per year Salary would be affected by various state and provincial tax rates for the various cities travelled for road games.

Seems to me this is a great way to maximize tax advantage as a Florida hockey player

Escrow too. I don't think he pays escrow on his bonuses.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes. Personally, I think Gaudreau will age better. And he's clearly a better player right now.

I don't hate the idea of going into the season with him unsigned and getting a bit of a feeling out process going. I suspect his contractual demands are not getting any higher than they are right at this moment, both because of the season he's coming off and after being blindsided (apparently) by a trade that sends him from South Beach to Alberta. It's possible that after a month or two he likes the fit and is more willing, and the Flames get a chance to see how he works within the system, and there's a better understanding of what the value should be.

Weegar though, they should either trade now for a top 6 scoring C (probably sending salary out with him), or sign as soon as possible to something in the ~5 year range.

I appreciate your clarification on the ages.

I’m not sure Johnny is “clearly” better right now though.
I loved Johnny, and haven’t seen enough of Jonny, but they seem pretty close to me.

[tvp2003]

Huberdeau was under contract and expecting further information on a possible extension. Now he’s in a new team in a new conference in a new country.

I’m okay with giving him some time to process everything, visit Calgary, get to know some of his teammates and coaches etc before looking at a long term extension.

That said, if he’s not interested in an extension now then I think you deal him before the season starts. The only thing that makes me nervous about waiting until the TDL is if he gets injured; right now the NTC is likely less of a factor as well if it comes to that. I’d be willing to be more patient with Weegar but if he’s not prepared to re-sign then I’d be taking calls on him as well.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Escrow too. I don't think he pays escrow on his bonuses.

He's supposed to pay escrow on his bonuses, but it gets deducted from his regular salary. In this case, the entire $1m regular salary may not be enough to pay the escrow on the signing bonus, so I'm not sure what happens then. Likely he has to pay some cash on the nail when he gets his signing bonus each year.

I don't imagine the NHLPA will be too happy to see a player with a superstar contract oil out of paying his share of the escrow debt when all the other players are losing big money.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I appreciate your clarification on the ages.

I’m not sure Johnny is “clearly” better right now though.
I loved Johnny, and haven’t seen enough of Jonny, but they seem pretty close to me.

They're very different types of players. Huberdeau is much more physical, great in the cycle game in the offensive zone, solid defensively. Maybe the best passer in the league with elite vision. But he is also very average skater and doesn't carry the puck to the offensive zone almost at all. Plus his reluctance to shoot at times will piss you off.

Gaudreau is electric and well you guys know all about him. I personally do think he is the better player but the difference isn't huge, they are just totally different types.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What do you think a team would have given up for Johnny Gaudreau at the trade deadline this year?

I dont think there is any possibility the Flames would have traded Gaudreau before the playoffs, even if they knew he was leaving.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Saqe

They're very different types of players. Huberdeau is much more physical, great in the cycle game in the offensive zone, solid defensively. Maybe the best passer in the league with elite vision. But he is also very average skater and doesn't carry the puck to the offensive zone almost at all. Plus his reluctance to shoot at times will piss you off.

Gaudreau is electric and well you guys know all about him. I personally do think he is the better player but the difference isn't huge, they are just totally different types.

Huberdeau is an incredible talent, but he isn't solid defensively.

What it will tell us is that when Huberdeau is on the ice the Panthers struggle defensively and that they improve dramatically when he’s on the bench. His relative expected goals against rate is 63rd worst among league forwards.
It will tell us that this has been a regular occurrence for Huberdeau for the majority of his career. For six straight years, the Panthers allow more goals than expected with Huberdeau deployed, and in each of those years have allowed more chances with him on the ice too.
It will tell us that the porous defense cancels out a lot of the good built up from his incredible offense. Florida scores 57 percent of the goals with Huberdeau on the ice which may seem good, but ranks 10th on the team among Florida’s 14 forwards. It’s because of the second-worst ranked 3.2 goals against per 60 they concede with him on the ice. Sometimes that’s just poor luck, but Huberdeau also has the third-worst scoring chance against rate.
There’s clearly something off about Huberdeau’s defensive game — but there isn’t much in the data indicating what actually leads to those results and why. That it’s been a common thread through his entire career doesn’t help his case.

Playing with Lindholm should alleviate those issues.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the tax advantage would be the biggest reason for this as well. Signing bonus should be 100% applicable to Florida’s no state tax, and only the 1 million per year Salary would be affected by various state and provincial tax rates for the various cities travelled for road games.

Seems to me this is a great way to maximize tax advantage as a Florida hockey player

Interesting. Quite a smart way to maximize percentage of take home income when you’re on a team with a low local tax hit.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Ped

Huberdeau is an incredible talent, but he isn't solid defensively.





Playing with Lindholm should alleviate those issues.

He isn't great defensively but has gotten better over the years. I don't see him as a liability anymore like that makes it sound.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Ped

Huberdeau is an incredible talent, but he isn't solid defensively.

Playing with Lindholm should alleviate those issues.

That and... being coached by Sutter will help improve his checking game quite a bit, it's likely fair to say...

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Huberdeau has lived in Florida his whole adult life. His whole social network is probably based there, possibly even extended in-laws. I don’t know if he has kids, but if so, it’s probably all they know. Just because Huberdeau was born in Canada, it doesn’t mean the American flight risk disappears. It’s been his life for a long time.

From a professional point of view, I imagine leaving a President’s Trophy for a team that has been in disarray for the past couple of months is a great sell either. Not to mention, he is already relatively under paid and now will pay more taxes. Honestly, he is probably pretty pissed off right now and I can’t say I blame him.

He actually grew up around Florida as well as his family would take the RV to Florida often when he was a kid. He said he watched more Panthers games as a kid than Habs games.

[UnitedFlames]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He's supposed to pay escrow on his bonuses, but it gets deducted from his regular salary. In this case, the entire $1m regular salary may not be enough to pay the escrow on the signing bonus, so I'm not sure what happens then. Likely he has to pay some cash on the nail when he gets his signing bonus each year.

I don't imagine the NHLPA will be too happy to see a player with a superstar contract oil out of paying his share of the escrow debt when all the other players are losing big money.

Well this is going to make him even more popular...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Saqe

They're very different types of players. Huberdeau is much more physical, great in the cycle game in the offensive zone, solid defensively. Maybe the best passer in the league with elite vision. But he is also very average skater and doesn't carry the puck to the offensive zone almost at all. Plus his reluctance to shoot at times will piss you off.

Gaudreau is electric and well you guys know all about him. I personally do think he is the better player but the difference isn't huge, they are just totally different types.

Huberdeau is amazing at taking advantage of errors. He is very fast to pounce on mistakes. It’s a pretty unique skill, not something that often gets talked about when discussing player attributes. It probably falls under HQ, but a very specific part of that.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Where does this trade rank among Flames big blockbusters? It has to be at the top, right?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Where does this trade rank among Flames big blockbusters? It has to be at the top, right?

The pundits are calling it the biggest trade ever in the salary cap era of the NHL. Of course, the Niewendyk/Igunla trade happened before that, and I would still consider that the biggest trade in franchise history. Of course, the biggest steal in Flames history was Kipper.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by UnitedFlames

Well this is going to make him even more popular...

If he actually figured out a way to negotiate a contract so you pay less in escrow he may become the most popular player in the NHLPA.