[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

People are going to be slightly disappointed in Huberdeau, based on the posts in here... but I think they're probably going to be pretty damned satisfied with Weegar.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Agree on the kicking the can analogy being a good thing. Absolute worst case scenario, BT has regained the time and control over the Gaudreau situation that he gave up to roll the dice on signing him, only he also has a top 4 D on an expiring asset, and a prospect + a first round pick to go with it. It’s quiet amazing actually.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People are going to be slightly disappointed in Huberdeau, based on the posts in here... but I think they're probably going to be pretty damned satisfied with Weegar.

Hes a top line player, secondary assists proped up his points a bit

[bluejays]

What Treliving probably does now is probably not sign anyone big in the immediate future. I imagine first order of business is getting them to sign. If they’re wishy washy and they need to hold off to the deadline where other teams’ rosters and cap room is filled, he needs to maintain cap room to take on a contract if he deals either of those two. So I do imagine there’s probably a trade or two for bottom six guys, but I can’t see a major signing happening unless there’s clarity on Huberdeau or Weeger. I’m sure he’ll pitch to them that if they sign they’ll be in a position to sign more guys to go for it. Very interesting possibilities ahead.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Agree on the kicking the can analogy being a good thing. Absolute worst case scenario, BT has regained the time and control over the Gaudreau situation that he gave up to roll the dice on signing him, only he also has a top 4 D on an expiring asset, and a prospect + a first round pick to go with it. It’s quiet amazing actually.

And cap flexibility as Weegar and Huberdeau make $4 mil less than Tkachuk and Gaudreau did last year.

2 Canadians who are pending UFAs and Huberdeau is the same ago as Johnny

Tkachuk is 24 so that does hurt long term even if Weegar and Huberdeau stay

That first in 25 is a factor too. Fla looks great now but 2 years from now they are short picks and have some RFAs and UFAs to resign. Bobrovsky likely still making $10 mil at a pretty old age too

[Hockey_Ninja]

Sorry if this was already posted:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550952612874358785

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Hes a top line player, secondary assists proped up his points a bit

Yeah, and there are a lot of people saying he's as good as Tkachuk based on those point totals... He simply isn't. He is a top-end scoring winger, and will rack up those points if he's on a team with a lot of offensive talent. He's not a primary driver of wins.

I didn't really have an issue with Treliving getting into the Johnny Gaudreau business on an 8 year extension but it would be a tough pill to swallow on Huberdeau, as I don't think you want a guy making 8+ on your cap when he's 36.

That said, I suppose the next 2-4 seasons (depending on how you deal with the players who are up before 2024-2025) are the window for this group so maybe you don't care quite so much about that if you're the GM. Which would certainly militate in favour of a Kadri signing or something.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, and there are a lot of people saying he's as good as Tkachuk based on those point totals... He simply isn't. He is a top-end scoring winger, and will rack up those points if he's on a team with a lot of offensive talent. He's not a primary driver of wins.

I didn't really have an issue with Treliving getting into the Johnny Gaudreau business on an 8 year extension but it would be a tough pill to swallow on Huberdeau, as I don't think you want a guy making 8+ on your cap when he's 36.

That said, I suppose the next 2-4 seasons (depending on how you deal with the players who are up before 2024-2025) are the window for this group so maybe you don't care quite so much about that if you're the GM. Which would certainly militate in favour of a Kadri signing or something.

So Johnny G. at age 37 is ok, but Jonny H. at age 37 is not?
They’re the same age.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People are going to be slightly disappointed in Huberdeau, based on the posts in here... but I think they're probably going to be pretty damned satisfied with Weegar.

I hope Calgary moves him and doesn't give him a huge retirement contract until he's 38. Take the assests that should be dynamite and get younger prospects and picks.

I don't think he'll re-sign here anyway tbh.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

So Johnny G. at age 37 is ok, but Jonny H. at age 37 is not?
They’re the same age.

Yes. Personally, I think Gaudreau will age better. And he's clearly a better player right now.

Originally Posted by Saqe

I hope Calgary moves him and doesn't give him a huge retirement contract until he's 38. Take the assests that should be dynamite and get younger prospects and picks.

I don't think he'll re-sign here anyway tbh.

I don't hate the idea of going into the season with him unsigned and getting a bit of a feeling out process going. I suspect his contractual demands are not getting any higher than they are right at this moment, both because of the season he's coming off and after being blindsided (apparently) by a trade that sends him from South Beach to Alberta. It's possible that after a month or two he likes the fit and is more willing, and the Flames get a chance to see how he works within the system, and there's a better understanding of what the value should be.

Weegar though, they should either trade now for a top 6 scoring C (probably sending salary out with him), or sign as soon as possible to something in the ~5 year range.

[PeteMoss]

Interesting to note that because it was a sign and trade, the flames get the 2nd buyout window. If Monahan is cleared he may be able to be bought out... Unlikely but a possibility

[TheScorpion]

Flames would've gotten the buyout window anyway with four guys filling for arbitration.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Interesting to note that because it was a sign and trade, the flames get the 2nd buyout window. If Monahan is cleared he may be able to be bought out... Unlikely but a possibility

I don't think it makes any sense. You're absolutely going to find a taker for him somewhere even if you have to retain the salary hit you would have had on him anyway from the buyout (~2.3 million or so), and that saves you from the 2 million cap hit the following year. Even if you had to add a mid round pick to make that happen it would be worth it to avoid the cap consequences.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

8 year extension but it would be a tough pill to swallow on Huberdeau

I wonder if this isn't just a layover and if they don't trade him again. They pushed the media availability back a day. The tweet from David Pagnotta saying GMs are calling Treliving asking if he's going to flip Huberdeau. He is an upcoming UFA after all who spent his entire career in Florida. I'm not going to get attached to the idea of him as a Flame, but we'll see tomorrow.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

^ If they are I doubt it'll be answered by tomorrow as I would assume the only way they'll flip him this offseason is if whoever is acquiring him is also announcing an extension.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People are going to be slightly disappointed in Huberdeau, based on the posts in here... but I think they're probably going to be pretty damned satisfied with Weegar.

Um, I'm going to go ahead and say the opposite. Weegar has many more warts than Huberdeau does. Both are great additions.

[NOISIA]

So happy when I woke up this morning and it wasn’t a dream!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

oh great. we are Arizona North....

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Sorry if this was already posted:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550952612874358785

Yeah I’m very intrigued by tomorrow’s media availability.

The extension is going to be one of the first questions he gets. I’d really like this team to not be going into next year facing the exact same situation they were with Johnny.

If the dude isn’t thrilled and isn’t putting ink to paper in the next few weeks…ugh.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Um, I'm going to go ahead and say the opposite. Weegar has many more warts than Huberdeau does. Both are great additions.

I watched a lot of panteros games last year as a big bennett fan. Huderdeau is a stud and weager’s #### ups tend to look real bad because he takes a risky line to try to lay a big hit, gets caught flat footed (quite rare) but it’s honestly rarely his fault and more a product of the lack of support the all offence system the panthers played would work. They consistantly overloaded and were 4 guys deep, which when it turns over can be bad.

Weager is unreal, Shea Theodore or (prime NYI Hamonic ) but with more offensive upside

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

So happy when I woke up this morning and it wasn’t a dream!

I agree. Huberdeau is tried and true and as a forward isn’t going to screw up as much as a defenceman. Having said that it’s completely imperative to have mobile defenceman in our division to roll with McDavid, Mackinnon, and Makar among others. They may not be able to be completely shut down but you have to keep up with them and move the puck up. I personally see Weegar as a third dman on a good team. He’ll be good and just what they needed on defence.