2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Toonage]

^ I'd still sit him, wrap him in bubble wrap, etc.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Definitely feels like the media is trying to drive the price DOWN for Tanev, given how connected Toronto is to TSN/Sportsnet its rather comical.

Conroy is already on record saying he didn't include Tanev in the VAN deal because he can get a 1st in a separate deal. Yet we've got duds like Johnson clamoring we'll be lucky to get a 2nd and a low prospect etc...

Meanwhile we all know how bad Toronto has been trying to get Tanev, yet doesnt want to give up anything worthwhile in doing so.
Sure sure guys, we all believe you.

He said this?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

He said this?

He didn't say he could get a first in another trade, no.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Definitely feels like the media is trying to drive the price DOWN for Tanev, given how connected Toronto is to TSN/Sportsnet its rather comical.

Conroy is already on record saying he didn't include Tanev in the VAN deal because he can get a 1st in a separate deal. Yet we've got duds like Johnson clamoring we'll be lucky to get a 2nd and a low prospect etc...

Meanwhile we all know how bad Toronto has been trying to get Tanev, yet doesnt want to give up anything worthwhile in doing so.
Sure sure guys, we all believe you.

I don't think that's on record.

We heard rumblings that the Canucks and Flames were talking about Tanev in the deal, but the Flames decided they'd get more value to trade them separately.

And even that isn't on record is it?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by devo22

which is funny because the Leafs don't have a 2nd in the next three drafts. But yeah, the thought has also crossed my mind ... talking heads really seem eager to downplay Tanevs value. Have to wonder why.

Yup, which is why the original poster who suggested that the media is downplaying Tanev's value so the "media darlings" in Vancouver and Toronto can get him for a 2nd doesn't make sense. NEITHER Vancouver OR Toronto have their 2nd round picks, so that allegation makes no sense. I think it comes down to people who don't watch the Flames don't realize Tanev's tremendous value defensively and exiting the puck out of their defensive zone. A bit similar to how we saw Tanev's value when the Flames signed him and how many compared Tanev to Brodie (it's not close, even at the time, but some believe they were, including me).

As for Hanifin, I'm not so certain no signing announcement now means Hanifin is leaving. Contracts take a while and while they had a number, there are other things to be ironed out. I'm still not sure if he stays or goes, but an absence of an announcement the day after the All Star break doesn't mean anything to me.

[Toonage]

From LeBrun at The Athletic this morning:

"Again, as I reported last week, the sense is the Flames want a second-round pick plus another asset for Tanev, although if you’re a team like the Maple Leafs without a second-round pick for the next three years, I’m confident still in saying Toronto’s price to pay on Tanev is a first-round pick. I just don’t know if that’s a price Leafs GM Brad Treliving will want to pay or not. And if he does, I would imagine he would have some level of confidence he can re-sign Tanev before July 1."

[Royle9]

I'm pretty sure an interview shortly after the Lindholm trade he said he left Tanev out because he could get more value (than a 2nd which is what Vancouver offered) in a separate deal.

So maybe not worded as "we'll get a 1st guaranteed" but more so implied, my error there.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And even that isn't on record is it?

Dhaliwal said it. His exact words were that the Canucks feel like the Flames think they can get a 1st for Tanev,

[devo22]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yup, which is why the original poster who suggested that the media is downplaying Tanev's value so the "media darlings" in Vancouver and Toronto can get him for a 2nd doesn't make sense. NEITHER Vancouver OR Toronto have their 2nd round picks, so that allegation makes no sense. I think it comes down to people who don't watch the Flames don't realize Tanev's tremendous value defensively and exiting the puck out of their defensive zone. A bit similar to how we saw Tanev's value when the Flames signed him and how many compared Tanev to Brodie (it's not close, even at the time, but some believe they were, including me).



As for Hanifin, I'm not so certain no signing announcement now means Hanifin is leaving. Contracts take a while and while they had a number, there are other things to be ironed out. I'm still not sure if he stays or goes, but an absence of an announcement the day after the All Star break doesn't mean anything to me.

even if they don't have a 2nd, I don't think it's inconceivable. Toronto probably just doesn't want a) to pay that 1st themselves and b) someone else to pay that 1st.

[Harry Lime]

A 2nd and another asset would be fine, if the other asset was high risk high reward. A breakout player in a European league would be great, something in the chelmevksi (sp) vein, or gritsyuk out of jersey.

A player with a lot of promise, but nit as many eyes on them.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

From LeBrun at The Athletic this morning:

"Again, as I reported last week, the sense is the Flames want a second-round pick plus another asset for Tanev, although if you’re a team like the Maple Leafs without a second-round pick for the next three years, I’m confident still in saying Toronto’s price to pay on Tanev is a first-round pick. I just don’t know if that’s a price Leafs GM Brad Treliving will want to pay or not. And if he does, I would imagine he would have some level of confidence he can re-sign Tanev before July 1."

I think it's a no-brainer for Treliving. He CAN'T miss the playoffs in his first year as GM of the Leafs and not with the talent of the team. The fans and media would rip him apart. He should be able to convince Tanev to sign long term as Toronto is home and they have a good roster. Just pay the first and get it done Treliving before you lose out on a player that your team desperately needs.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Dhaliwal said it. His exact words were that the Canucks feel like the Flames think they can get a 1st for Tanev,

And that makes sense. Vancouver got Lindholm right now because they paid a high price. They weren't willing to do the same for Tanev. All it takes is a serious injury to a top 3 Dman for a solid playoff team to pull the trigger instantly.

[united]

Friedman on yesterday's 32 Thoughts:

- What Pachal claim says to him is Calgary has some decisions to make on their blueline as they might need some extra defencemen soon.
- Earlier in the season Hanifin was offered 8 x $7.5 M which he was close to taking until the Flames' losing streak when he got cold feet. The Flames and Hanifin started talking again but the Flames want an answer now (All-Star break). The Flames' first game back is in Boston which is where Hanifin's family lives and Friedman assumes the Flames will receive an answer from Hanifin one way or another (stay or go).
- On Tanev, Friedman doesn't expect Ottawa remains interested but the Flames have been getting calls from "teams" including Toronto who were re-engaged over the All-Star weekend. Names Tampa Bay as one who people suspect have called; speculates New Jersey may be interested but perhaps a rental isn't the right fit; wonders if Winnipeg may be interested but notes they already acquired one rental (Monahan).

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by MrMike

And that makes sense. Vancouver got Lindholm right now because they paid a high price. They weren't willing to do the same for Tanev. All it takes is a serious injury to a top 3 Dman for a solid playoff team to pull the trigger instantly.

"High price" is relative. This is what Lindholm was going to cost at a minimum. He wasn't getting cheaper if the Canucks waited. He could possibly get more expensive.

The same is true for Tanev, but I think the Canucks decided that there were other positional options out there. The only forward option that checked every box was Lindholm.

[Pekkerhead]

On Capfriendly it looks like the Canucks have 9 ufa’s and 2 rfa’s this summer. Maybe I’m reading it wrong? Yikes.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Pekkerhead

On Capfriendly it looks like the Canucks have 9 ufa’s and 2 rfa’s this summer. Maybe I’m reading it wrong? Yikes.

and one of the RFAs is a biggie.

[Pekkerhead]

Hronek too. Plus their second line and most of their D-Corps. All having career years, except Z and Lindholm. Suddenly I feel better about this season. ��

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

A 2nd and another asset would be fine, if the other asset was high risk high reward. A breakout player in a European league would be great, something in the chelmevksi (sp) vein, or gritsyuk out of jersey.

A player with a lot of promise, but nit as many eyes on them.

Agree with this. No point in being sour that it's a 2nd and not a 1st until you know what the second asset would be. If it's a Cole Schwindt-type prospect plus a second, then yeah be disappointed. But if it's a known quality asset then that's incrementally worth more than the 2nd->1st round delta.

[tony-soprano]

Can always take the Brian Burke approach, if you don't get what you want for Tanev.. you hold and let him walk into free agency.

Realistically though, you sell to the highest bidder and you have a month for these teams to ante up the best offer.

[cheevers]

Man, if I am a GM of a team that will likely be picking in that 24 to 32 range, I don't even hesitate to give up a 1st for Tanev. The only thing I may do, is put it conditional on him playing 4 playoff games to protect myself against injury in which case it drops to a 2nd rounder. Tanev is the type of pickup to put you over the top in the playoffs, can slot in anywhere from 4 to 6 with no problem, plus he tends to elevate whoever he plays with.