Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[TheIronMaiden]

The beating Monahan has taken by fans after a career altering injury is all you need to know with respect to why Canadian markets are undesirable unless the money makes sense.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Honestly, if I'm and NHL player, Cali and Florida look pretty good. Go to the rink everyday in shorts and flip flops, relative anonymity, that would be pretty attractive.

Flipside: Working in a city like Calgary, where everyone knows your name and treats you with respect - doesn't hound you and bother you, but gives you a knowing nod of recognition in passing. Yet, a place where you still gain all the benefits of being famous: the best tables and tickets, discounts and freebies everywhere you go, etc.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I agree for the most part with the exception being the California teams and NYC as those organizations seem to have it easier when it comes to retaining players.

I don’t think that’s passion for where they play (as I understand the point) so much as liking the location. I think SJ benefits greatly from the “good place to live” rep. NYC, Vegas, Fla have some obvious attractions for the younger players.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by troutman

A player on my shinny team has also been playing shinny recently with Johnny's dad (he scored a few goals). He is in town for while.

And he's offered you no inside information?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don't understand the logic in signing with those teams. He's going to be 29 next year, this is potentially his final NHL contract and he's going to want to win. I can't see him signing with rebuilding clubs such as NJ and Philly, or a mediocre one that can't figure it out like the Islanders.

The Flyers are two seasons removed from being one of the best teams in the league. Were on a tear when the season was shutdown, dominated in the seeding round-robin (going 3-0 against Tampa, Boston and Washington) before losing in Round 2 in 7 games to the Islanders.

This season they lost their two most important players for nearly the entirety of the season with their newly acquired top pairing defenseman playing 3 games (of which they outscored their opponents 16-8) before shutting down their best player who had a nagging injury since the start of the season which required surgery after non surgical options didn't work. It was a disaster season.

But there's not many teams in the league that wouldn't be greatly improved by adding Gaudreau, Couturier and Ellis (even at the expense of a player like Giroux). Especially if they can add a player like Shane Wright with them. Of course Hart remains a huge question for them and if the injuries have lasting impact to Ellis or Couturier they are pretty screwed short-term.

But he joins his buddy Hayes and dad with the team while moving to his wife's work while playing for the team he grew up cheering for if nothing else.

As for the Islanders. They lost to Tampa the last two playoffs in the conference finals. Including a game seven which had they won they would have won the Stanley Cup against Montreal obviously.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The beating Monahan has taken by fans after a career altering injury is all you need to know with respect to why Canadian markets are undesirable unless the money makes sense.

There was no beating of Monahan by the fan base, we all recognize what he did for the team and the unfortunate circumstances of his injuries. Calling for him to be benched in favour of other players because he couldn't play worth a damn is not wrong nor is wanting to cut him loose because his salary is crippling to signing key players. It is a business.

[The Cobra]

Until this year, Calgary would have ranked very low on the "chance to win" meter.

In fact, they've had a reasonably long stretch of not winning much at all.

That can change in a hurry, so I'm not sure how much stock that Johnny and Tkachuk will place in Calgary being a place you can win in.

I'm more and more convinced it will simply come down to dollars. And the reason they haven't signed yet is they haven't been offered enough yet. Of course, those goalposts likely have moved since the start of the season with a huge year and UFA approaching for Johnny, and a huge year and the one year QO approaching for Tkachuk.

I expect Trev will show them the money at the end of the season now.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There was no beating of Monahan by the fan base, we all recognize what he did for the team and the unfortunate circumstances of his injuries.

There was a hell of a lot of beating of Monahan right here on this board. Several posters were loudly repeating that he was entirely a product of Gaudreau, and his performance this season merely shows that he was never any better than replacement level.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There was a hell of a lot of beating of Monahan right here on this board. Several posters were loudly repeating that he was entirely a product of Gaudreau, and his performance this season merely shows that he was never any better than replacement level.

You know the saying, every village has some of those.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by troutman

A player on my shinny team has also been playing shinny recently with Johnny's dad (he scored a few goals). He is in town for while.

When his parents came to town I believe Johnny mentioned that his Mom and sister were going to be here for a few days but his Dad was going to be in town for a couple of weeks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Until this year, Calgary would have ranked very low on the "chance to win" meter.

In fact, they've had a reasonably long stretch of not winning much at all.

That can change in a hurry, so I'm not sure how much stock that Johnny and Tkachuk will place in Calgary being a place you can win in.

I'm more and more convinced it will simply come down to dollars. And the reason they haven't signed yet is they haven't been offered enough yet. Of course, those goalposts likely have moved since the start of the season with a huge year and UFA approaching for Johnny, and a huge year and the one year QO approaching for Tkachuk.

I expect Trev will show them the money at the end of the season now.

4 seasons ago the Flames were the best in the West and appeared to be a team on the verge of a contention window opening. Since that season the team has solidified their goaltending and many young defenseman have elevated their play and this team has 3 top 4 guys 25 years of age.

This team has proven recently to be a top team when their top players play like top players in the league. Tkachuk and Gaudreau will be paid to be the guys expected to carry this team year in and year out. When those guys are on this has been one of the better teams.

Trelviing will be able to try and sell them on the fact the AHL team is the best in their division and a lot of that is thanks to guys like Pelletier and Wolf who are coming. Any team Johnny or Matthew go to they will be among the top 1-3 highest paid players so no matter where they choose they will be expected to carry the load.

It was less than a year ago where you said Johnny was nothing more than a 70pt first line winger not worth enough to get Konecny back in a deal. Opinions can be proven wrong but the Flames have grown and developed these players for many years. Johnny definitely has shown loyalty to this organization by signing out of college and long term as a RFA. Keith Tkachuk was just quoted to say how much Matthew values the organization for bringing him in at 18 and helping him develop to the player he is today.

I think if both guys truly want to stay here the organization needs to live up to their heaven and earth comment and sign them. If they both want to go to the States then there is not much they can do with Johnny and need to make a move with Tkachuk this summer.

I do think your right that they want the dollars and I also think there is truth to not worrying about the money and contracts now and deal with it at the end of the season. They need to be focused on the playoffs and chasing the cup. I don’t think they are at the negotiating table at the moment.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There was no beating of Monahan by the fan base, we all recognize what he did for the team and the unfortunate circumstances of his injuries. Calling for him to be benched in favour of other players because he couldn't play worth a damn is not wrong nor is wanting to cut him loose because his salary is crippling to signing key players. It is a business.

Maybe you've been reasonable. But there are heaps of downright ugly comments about the person and his character. I'm not going to pretend that Monahan's play was above criticism. But I do think that there are two lessons his teammates have learned from him.

1. Your career could be derailed before your next contract, so get paid now

2. If you're struggling you will have to suffer through horrible comments from fans.

The 1st is true anywhere, the 2nd is especially true in Canadian markets.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Johnny definitely has shown loyalty to this organization by signing out of college and long term as a RFA.

Obviously glad he didn't pull a Fox but he still had another season in college and the Flames were able to sign him by burning a year on his ELC with the 1 game deal. And then he only signed a single year of UFA eligibility. So it's not like he has shown some out of normal loyalty to the organization. And I don't really blame him if he isn't 'loyal' as it's a business.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When his parents came to town I believe Johnny mentioned that his Mom and sister were going to be here for a few days but his Dad was going to be in town for a couple of weeks.

I had heard separate tellings 'until the playoffs' and 'until the playoffs are over'


either way Guy made it clear- he's older than his wife, he's retired, she's not and he's staying put

[GioforPM]

Thing about a long term contract with a different team, it kind of moves the “chance to win” factor down a notch or two. There are some teams who are bad now, but in 4 years, in the middle of the contract, they will be pretty good assuming their prospects pan out, and their cap allows for some good UFAs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing about a long term contract with a different team, it kind of moves the “chance to win” factor down a notch or two. There are some teams who are bad now, but in 4 years, in the middle of the contract, they will be pretty good assuming their prospects pan out, and their cap allows for some good UFAs.

You take Johnny off of Calgary and put him on an up-an-coming team like New Jersey, and New Jersey starts to look like they may well be a team that is starting to contend for a playoff spot.

[SportsJunky]

Chucky saying the right things.

Fans at the Saddledome already got that message, giving Tkachuk a loud ovation after his second-period goal to hit the milestone.

“This is really the only place in the whole league that would give me an applause like that,” Tkachuk said. “That was really, really cool. I would love to have gotten it with my parents in attendance in Nashville (on Tuesday), but I got to beat my dad’s (career-high 98-points) there.

“Then to get (100) at home in front of these unbelievable fans that have been so great to me my whole career. So special.”

https://theathletic.com/3265602/2022...-pre-playoffs/

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I asked Jane Gadreau to give me a hint on Twitter if Johnny was going to sign in Calgary.. And she liked my tweet.
That's a sign right?

She liked my Tkachuk 100 emoji tweet too

Spoiler!

[Hockey_Ninja]

Double post

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

She liked my Tkachuk 100 emoji tweet too

Spoiler!

Pretty sure this means she knows Chucky is going to sign as well

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