Thank God for Heath. Cowboys almost let that one slip away
Raiders let that slip away as the game shouldn't have been that close. Terrible offensive pass interference call on Cook took away 7 points for the Raiders in the first half and using a folded piece of paper with a 1/4 gap as an index card when the ball was short (there are photos out there showing the ball was about 1/4" short). Officials suspiciously took Crabtree out of the game on the last play for concussion evaluation (Carr said that last play was supposed to go to Crabs but when they took him out they had to improvise). Of course if Carr just goes out of bounds they likely win the game which is on him but the Cowboys didn't let anything slip away as they were gifted that win.
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I think I'm finally dry. All I kept telling my Dad all weekend was that I wanted an exciting game. Holy, did we get that. The weather was great right up until after the first possesion. Then the rain came. Back and forth. I thought the Brady int was going to be the difference. Unreal Brady/Gronk drive. What is it with the Pats and their own goal line? One of the best weekends of my life. Steeler fans are awesome. Hope they meet again in the playoffs.
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I think I'm finally dry. All I kept telling my Dad all weekend was that I wanted an exciting game. Holy, did we get that. The weather was great right up until after the first possesion. Then the rain came. Back and forth. I thought the Brady int was going to be the difference. Unreal Brady/Gronk drive. What is it with the Pats and their own goal line? One of the best weekends of my life. Steeler fans are awesome. Hope they meet again in the playoffs.
Good to hear things went well Habby.
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Raiders let that slip away as the game shouldn't have been that close. Terrible offensive pass interference call on Cook took away 7 points for the Raiders in the first half and using a folded piece of paper with a 1/4 gap as an index card when the ball was short (there are photos out there showing the ball was about 1/4" short). Officials suspiciously took Crabtree out of the game on the last play for concussion evaluation (Carr said that last play was supposed to go to Crabs but when they took him out they had to improvise). Of course if Carr just goes out of bounds they likely win the game which is on him but the Cowboys didn't let anything slip away as they were gifted that win.
as dumb is that looked, it's no less dumb than guessing where a football ended up in a pile and then putting it down on the ground accordingly to help create that moment
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Looks like the Seahawks are imploding.
Earl Thomas angers Bobby Wagner...a bunch. Just by telling the truth.
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"I have no clue," he said. "But you normally see Wags running from sideline to sideline, and he just couldn't do it today. But I think he just waited a little bit too long to take himself out."
Wagner tweeted and then deleted: "E keep my name out yo mouth. Stop being jealous of other people success. I still hope you keep balling bro."
Tis the time of year where we start hearing about fractures in dressing rooms and player dissatisfaction with coaches. The coaching carousel should be busy this offseason as I imagine there will be a few coaches fired.
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Tis the time of year where we start hearing about fractures in dressing rooms and player dissatisfaction with coaches. The coaching carousel should be busy this offseason as I imagine there will be a few coaches fired.
lets list coaches going to be fired for sure.
McAdoo (already gone)
Lewis
Jackson
Fox
Pagano
O'Brien?
Gruden?
Garrett?
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If the Falcons win tonight, do the Packers bring out Rogers next week? He didn't quite look himself yesterday, although some of it could be rust, and part of it could also be that the Panthers at home are still a very tough time. Still if they're out of it, why risk more damage to your meal ticket? Although when the Packers were marching down field after the onside kick, I was thinking here they come back from the dead again.
In the AFC besides the 3 clinched teams, the Chiefs have the leg for the AFC West. The last Wild Card is very much in play now. The Ravens will basically torture their last two opponents, so they'll get 10 wins grab the 5th seed. Tennessee have 2 home games left Rams and Jaguars. The Titans have been far better at home than on the road, so although it's difficult teams they might be able to pull out 1 if not 2 wins since the Jags won't have anything to play for in the last week. Buffalo has to play a New England team who will want to win this week, so I think they finish 9-7. The Chargers should be able to win their final two games to get to 9-7, than again....Rivers choked big time on Saturday. Despite the fact that he's heralded as an elite QB, he's choked more than his share in big games, and he was as much a reason the Chargers started 0-4 this year as anyone else on that team. So they probably choke a game away here.
In the NFC, the last spot is still sort of in play. Atlanta has a very tough schedule after tonight, but if they win 2 more games they're untouchable. Seattle and Dallas both need to win out and hope Atlanta lose their last two. So basically the winner of next weeks Boys/Hawks game will be the only one with a prayer left next week.
Ultimately I think the Patriots easily win the AFC now that it has to go thru Foxboro. Would have been much more interesting had yesterday's game gone the other way. This would have potentially forced them to be the 3 seed and made things much trickier.
The NFC is still somewhat open. Can Nick Foles replecate Jeff Hostetler and be a back up Superbowl winning QB? I don't know, but he's got lot's of weapons and likley home field. If guys like Rogers and Wilson aren't in the dance, you have the three NFC South guys in Brees, Newton, and Ryan as having got teams to Superbowls, but Brees would be the only winner. Than you have Foles and Keenum as guys you never would have bet on at the start of the year, and Jared Goff...who I doubt anyone was betting on either. I honestly could see any of the 6 potential NFC teams making a run.
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In the NFC, the last spot is still sort of in play. Atlanta has a very tough schedule after tonight, but if they win 2 more games they're untouchable. Seattle and Dallas both need to win out and hope Atlanta lose their last two. So basically the winner of next weeks Boys/Hawks game will be the only one with a prayer left next week.
As much of a Super Bowl hangover the Falcons have had, if they win out they win the NFC South. New Orleans, Atlanta, and Carolina all control their own destiny to win the division which is sort of odd, because they all play each other down the stretch here.
Absolutely massive game next weekend with Saints/Falcons rematch at the Superdome. Between the fact they're already hated arch-rivals, the division on the line, and the fallout from their first matchup on that very scrappy Thursday nighter 2 weeks ago that extended into Twitter beefs afterwards, I think it's going to have a lot of fireworks, and will be a must-see even for the general NFL fan. Can't wait
Was the ball in his hands and across the plane before he hit the ground? Yes. At that point it should be a TD, but wasnt because he has to control it to the ground even though the TD has been scored if using a runners rules.
If a runner does the same thing, as in crosses the plane before hitting the ground and bobbling it, its a TD.
Its a completely massive double standard.
Actually i would go as far to say its the single stupidest rule in pro sports. Period.
Let's suppose James was standing in the endzone. Roethlisberger throws him the ball. James jumps up and secures the ball between both hands while in the air. Now further suppose that either James is pushed out of bounds by a receiver, or comes down with one foot out of the back of the endzone on his own, or before he gets the second foot down in the endzone he drops the ball, or a defender rips the ball out before he gets to the ground. All four of these would result in an incomplete pass, and no TD. This is despite James having possession of the ball and the ball breaking the plane.
You need to have possession of the ball and make a catch in order for you to be able to break the plane. By not completing the catch he hasn't made a catch. You can't break the plane if you haven't made a catch. When the ball is being thrown threw the air, no one has possession of it. The reason that it's different for a runner, is possession is continuous from when the QB hands it off to the runner, or if someone picks up the fumble. Possession hasn't been established on a throw. Of course there are different standards for different types of plays.
The rule was enforced properly. You can debate whether the rule is good or not, but there should be no debate on if it was enforced correctly. The ball moved and the runner didn't make a catch. Whether that's in the middle of the field or the endzone, it's still not a catch. Here's a pretty clear view of him not completing the catch: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/s...93913336016901. The ball moves and hits the ground. That's not a catch in the NFL. He did not have complete control of the football. Here's the former VP of officiating, Blandino, whom I am no fan of, explaining it: https://twitter.com/DeanBlandino/sta...51139127500800
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Let's suppose James was standing in the endzone. Roethlisberger throws him the ball. James jumps up and secures the ball between both hands while in the air. Now further suppose that either James is pushed out of bounds by a receiver, or comes down with one foot out of the back of the endzone on his own, or before he gets the second foot down in the endzone he drops the ball, or a defender rips the ball out before he gets to the ground. All four of these would result in an incomplete pass, and no TD. This is despite James having possession of the ball and the ball breaking the plane.
You need to have possession of the ball and make a catch in order for you to be able to break the plane. By not completing the catch he hasn't made a catch. You can't break the plane if you haven't made a catch. When the ball is being thrown threw the air, no one has possession of it. The reason that it's different for a runner, is possession is continuous from when the QB hands it off to the runner, or if someone picks up the fumble. Possession hasn't been established on a throw. Of course there are different standards for different types of plays.
The rule was enforced properly. You can debate whether the rule is good or not, but there should be no debate on if it was enforced correctly. The ball moved and the runner didn't make a catch. Whether that's in the middle of the field or the endzone, it's still not a catch. Here's a pretty clear view of him not completing the catch: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/s...93913336016901. The ball moves and hits the ground. That's not a catch in the NFL. He did not have complete control of the football. Here's the former VP of officiating, Blandino, whom I am no fan of, explaining it: https://twitter.com/DeanBlandino/sta...51139127500800
So if James is touched by a Patriot defender and does not reach to break the plane of the goal line, is it then a catch?
The only reason it wasn't a catch was because of a football move to break the plane?
Here is a TD from Xavier Grimble last season at 14 seconds of the clip. Does he not have possession here either then?
Also, the NFL's explanation says that Roethlisberger completes the throw. So how can he complete the pass if it's ruled an incomplete pass?
Your scenario where he catches it in the endzone and does not come down cleanly with the ball isn't comparable. James came down with the ball outside of the endzone (both feet/legs) and then reached across the goal line.
^^^ my comments to your post. it was definitely incomplete pass according to the rule as written.
So if James is touched by a Patriot defender and does not reach to break the plane of the goal line, is it then a catch?
- if he holds onto the ball then yes and down by contact. if he didn't control it then incomplete
The only reason it wasn't a catch was because of a football move to break the plane?
- not really, but by reaching he caused the ball to move and wasn't touched. this was in the same motion of catch going to ground, must maintain control which he clearly didn't
Here is a TD from Xavier Grimble last season at 14 seconds of the clip. Does he not have possession here either then?
- Grimble play is different in that his lunge is after the catch and he remains upright by putting the hand on the ground. he's considered a runner at that point. James never remained upright and lost possession going to ground
Also, the NFL's explanation says that Roethlisberger completes the throw. So how can he complete the pass if it's ruled an incomplete pass?
throw and pass are 2 separate things. Thrown was complete to receiver however receiver lost control of the ball after the catch going to the ground.
Your scenario where he catches it in the endzone and does not come down cleanly with the ball isn't comparable. James came down with the ball outside of the endzone (both feet/legs) and then reached across the goal line
- James stretched out for the goal line while still going to the ground in the motion of the catch. if he was say a yard short lunged then got up and lunged again and fumbled after the 2nd attempt it would have counted. because it was still in the motion of the original catch he has to maintain possession
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The way that rule was enforced, is that the player did not complete the process of making the catch.
I think it was enforced correctly per the current rule.
The problem James has is that as he's going to the ground, he shuffles his hands after touching the ground and the ball moves. This demonstrates not having complete control of the ball, and hence an incomplete pass. If James stays put and the ball doesn't hit the ground and move...than yes it's a complete pass.
The whole broke the plane or didn't break the plane doesn't matter.
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