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Old 08-20-2024, 10:42 AM   #19441
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And yes a lot of stories about Baron being creepy as he looks. He has assaulted nannies, and tortured small animals at the white house.
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Old 08-20-2024, 10:46 AM   #19442
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In all seriousness, though, Kamala is in a similar spot with the addendum of abortion rights. It's basically,

1. I'm not Trump
2. I'm also not Biden
3. I want to be the first female President
4. Trump cost you your right to choose, I will sign a law restoring the prior status quo

... Policy wise, not much else so far. And I think that's totally fine at this stage - that's what a convention is for. She'll have an hour of primetime on Thursday to sprinkle in major policy items that define what she's for. I'm just hoping we hear a whole lot of labour-oriented messaging... though that can also come from Walz to a significant degree.
I would be curious what you would be looking for relating to labour? Obviously, historically the party of labour but anything in particular you are hoping for?
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I'd like to push back on this a little, I think she hurt herself by saying "vote for me because I am a woman and will be the first female president" instead of marketing a robust platform that targeted the needs of America.

Without googling, what were her campaign promises?

All I remember from her campaign was
1. She was not trump.
2. she wanted to be the first female president.

in the big picture there is nothing wrong with her promoting her gender and highlighting inequities in politics, but in the long run she totally missed the tide of the times, Americans wanted change, and big change for better or worse. She was pandering to the status quo, another 4 years of Obama, and it was not what the the voting public wanted.
I don't blame you for not remembering it, but her campaign was churning out a huge amount of policy papers. And a lot of them were not status quo. Debt-free college! Enough clean energy to power every home in America in a decade! Universal pre-school! Massive infrastructure projects! Paid family leave! A lot more I'm forgetting. These were ambitious goals that were laid out in far more detail than anything Biden or Harris or even Obama had done during their campaigns. She's a policy wonk, and early in her campaign she was really trying to lean into that. It might have worked in a pre-Trump election cycle, but once the election became about the fact that she was unlikeable, her campaign spent all their efforts trying to push back on that, rather than trying to sell her vision and expertise.
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Poor Baron had virtually no chance of being normal. I feel for him.
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I don't blame you for not remembering it, but her campaign was churning out a huge amount of policy papers. And a lot of them were not status quo. Debt-free college! Enough clean energy to power every home in America in a decade! Universal pre-school! Massive infrastructure projects! Paid family leave! A lot more I'm forgetting. These were ambitious goals that were laid out in far more detail than anything Biden or Harris or even Obama had done during their campaigns. She's a policy wonk, and early in her campaign she was really trying to lean into that. It might have worked in a pre-Trump election cycle, but once the election became about the fact that she was unlikeable, her campaign spent all their efforts trying to push back on that, rather than trying to sell her vision and expertise.
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting she didn't have policy, I am saying she did a very poor job of marketing them.
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Poor Baron had virtually no chance of being normal. I feel for him.
I"m sure those $10,000s of dollars Trump has hidden away for him will make him feel much better!

No Poor Baron!
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I would be curious what you would be looking for relating to labour? Obviously, historically the party of labour but anything in particular you are hoping for?
It's more a matter of messaging than policy proposals - those are pretty much set in the DNC platform. What I want to hear is content that is speaking directly to people working union jobs, especially manufacturing and other blue-collar work, and especially in the midwestern states. I want her to specifically mention her endorsements from the AFLCIO and UAW and IBEW, speak to how they're going to work to encourage manufacturing jobs to be brought home and contrast to Trump sending those jobs overseas, speak about how Trump got on a call with Elon Musk and laughed about firing striking workers while she joined them on the picket line. When she talks about tax cuts, frame it in a way that is talking about how much money those tax cuts are going to save working families specifically. Talk about building infrastructure and roads and schools. Talk about food prices being too high while wages are stagnant. Talk about limiting foreign influence on US businesses. The overriding theme of all of this is, if you're a service worker in Pittsburgh with a household income of $65k, here's the stuff we're going to be working towards that directly affects your family's quality of life.

All of that needs to be the focus, and while there will no doubt be some messaging about things like racism and equity, gun safety laws / background checks / assault weapons bans, environmentalism, Palestine / Israel, and plenty of other mainline topics, those things should, in my opinion, take a back seat to the stuff that lands the most in WI, MI and PA.
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Further to the above, here's Shapiro doing exactly what I'm talking about this morning.



Apparently he's speaking today. He should be in primetime.
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These types of videos always make me lose faith in humanity and education.
I saw that video a while back, and while I'm not interested in watching the whole thing again there are 2 things that struck me.

1. The shorter, blonde girl near the beginning is exactly the kind of person Trump would ridicule and mock.

2. The raging bigot is so deep in the closet he's finding Christmas presents.
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Lol, I guess this combined with his campaign being in debt means the end is near for this guy.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1825939293447352359
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Old 08-20-2024, 01:25 PM   #19452
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What is there positive to say about a Rapist-Lunatic-Felon who attempted to overthrow the US Govt because he was having a hissy fit?
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Lol, I guess this combined with his campaign being in debt means the end is near for this guy.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1825939293447352359
Also this guy was trying to sell his endorsement to either party last week in exhange for a cabinet position.
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Pretty tough to get positive coverage when your campaign is framed around negative attacks and rage.
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That's particularly absurd when you look at the title of every one of their videos being negative about the DNC and / or Harris.

https://www.youtube.com/@FoxNews/videos
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Lol, I guess this combined with his campaign being in debt means the end is near for this guy.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1825939293447352359
I would imagine that anyone that was seriously going to vote RFK was doing that because they would never vote for the other two.

So doubt his endorsement matters.
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Trump looks and sounds absolutely cooked. Two, absolutely brutal "press conferences" in the past two or three days. Slow, monotone and putting people to sleep. I mean, this current one looks like it if being held in a parking garage. So bad that both Newsmax and Fox have cut away.
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On twitter referring to Vance.

"It’s rare someone has absolutely no charisma. It’s a literal zero on the character sheet. He’s like if the Family Feud “X” sound wished to be a real boy. The remains of a lemon crushed by a machine press would still have more juice than this man."

The family feud X sound line killed me.
https://x.com/MikeDrucker/status/1825951451690184780
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Also this guy was trying to sell his endorsement to either party last week in exhange for a cabinet position.
Honestly he'd probably make a really good EPA head, assuming the worms haven't destroyed that part of his brain yet. He did a lot of good work for environmental regulation and renewable energy before going off the anti-vax deep end
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