[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wait for them to die

The farmers I know will vote the same way their entire lives...the candidate, policy, ect. Doesn't matter.

It's like the politician wolf telling the sheep "I am going to eat you"

And the sheep saying

"At least he tells it like it is"

Yeah its the sad truth.

Was talking to a friend yesterday Black Tuesday and we agreed nothing will change until these people just die off.

They don't know anything or care to learn, just that my daddy voted this way and its blue.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Yoho

But this is Alberta it is what it is. Truly if you don’t like it why not leave?

Why does it need to change to your “values” ?

Alberta is a lot of things, it isn't just one thing with one goal. Born and raised here and I don't think I have the right to ask, imply, or tell anyone to leave. I honestly don't know why you think you do? We have Cities and rural communities that tend to have different way of looking at things, and people within both that also differ. There is no "Alberta way" and there is also no need to "take back Alberta" from anything.

If there is an Alberta way please let this GenXer that was born and raised here know, because I honestly don't know what that is and if any one claims to know they are the one that is really trying to change Alberta to "their" values.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GGG

Not physicians, students wanting to enter medicine. If you added rural medicine spots to the U of A and U of C I would bet you they would fill immediately.

You would be selecting a different but still qualified pool of applicants and the hope is that in 10 years they have built roots in the community.

I do agree all of the things on your list should be done too.

Ok, but that doesn't solve anything. You can't have entry level med students working in rural places, they're not qualified yet and could only work clerkships under actual docs. You also can't lock students into 10-year commitments when they haven't even being accepted into residency programs let alone wrote the CARMS exam.

There are some that might like rural communities (and yes that happens), but the system has to nurture them to stay in place, otherwise you get what is happening now - early retirements and getting the hell out of dodge.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah its the sad truth.

Was talking to a friend yesterday Black Tuesday and we agreed nothing will change until these people just die off.

They don't know anything or care to learn, just that my daddy voted this way and its blue.

Which is funny because the blue that daddy voted for is much more aligned with the orange of today that the blue of today.

[dino7c]

Unqualified doctors in rural areas

Karma train might speed up the process of changing demographics

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Someone living in one of those ridings would probably be better able to answer your previous question than I. Maybe that’s part of the issue though, not enough people on the NDP side listening to what they want, similar to how a lot of people think the UCP isn’t listening to what urban voters want.

I honestly don’t know what they could do as it appears that a number of lobby groups have basically made them out to be the devil in many of those ridings. And I say that knowing that not every person in rural Alberta is voting blue no matter what like some people try to say.

Living in rural Alberta, the general feeling is that they would like a leader who is ready to push against federal policy. Some of it is ju-ju for sure, but some of it is based in genuine frustration. The Carbon tax as well intentioned as it is negatively impacts folks who need to commute, the new bills with respect to fertilizer, for example.

I was not convinced that the NDP cared about getting rural votes. I voted for them anyways, because believe in strong social welfare programs. Otherwise, there wasn't any campaign promise where I felt like they were fighting for me. faster internet, sure. Vague promises about health care better. Hard to imagine how, I already have to drive 35 minutes to the nearest hospital.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I think one only has to look at the arrogance and general as$hattery of the posters saying you lost, get over it, leave or don't let the door hit you on the way out and realize it's not just the election loss that makes people contemplate moving. It's also their supporters that that think this is proper behavior and actually act this way in real life. If you feel a large number of people are like this in your community and you can feel the hatred getting to you, why would you continue putting up with it? I'm surrounded by it at work, and that makes me contemplate changing jobs, so why can't the same reality apply to where you live? One can only put up for so long hearing "Notley should be shot" and other misdirected complaints about things that don't even effect them. UCP supporters no longer feel they need a filter, and it shows. The hatred and divisiveness that I'm surrounded by has changed me in a negative way and it's time to escape it. I can't imagine what someone with young children is thinking. Actually, I do, I have a friend with a newborn and last year was already starting to make career plans for a transfer. No one is leaving because of results from this election, they are leaving because Alberta as they knew it is gone, the people are different, and there doesn't appear to be any drive to turn it around. Which is funny, because UCP think's that is exactly what they are doing.

But wasn't Alberta always rascist, bigoted oil field trash, rednecks? Maybe Alberta hasn't changed and your friend is only now realizing what Alberta is?

[Fuzz]

With Kenney, people around here who voted for him could, with some legitimacy, say "well I didn't know he would be bad." You can't say that about Smith. All the info was out there. You don't get to subject us to this #### and in 2 years when it all goes bad for you personally say "well golly gee, I didn't expect Smith to do THAT to me!". You get a crotch punch for that. You can collect it now, if you want.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wait for them to die

The farmers I know will vote the same way their entire lives...the candidate, policy, ect. Doesn't matter.

It's like the politician wolf telling the sheep "I am going to eat you"

And the sheep saying

"At least he tells it like it is"

I'm a farmer and I vote NDP and Green party. you waiting for me to die?

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah its the sad truth.

Was talking to a friend yesterday Black Tuesday and we agreed nothing will change until these people just die off.

They don't know anything or care to learn, just that my daddy voted this way and its blue.

Well they have long memories, and Bill 6 passed by the NDP in 2016(?) has forever lost the rural vote.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Yoho

But this is Alberta it is what it is. Truly if you don’t like it why not leave?

Why does it need to change to your “values” ?

Holy are you ever dumb.

[Muta]

Currently working in Edmonton this week, and people here are just shaking their heads regarding the election, although they're happy about the total NDP representation in the city. Smith's newly-announced 'council of defeated' is being looked at as cringe and embarrassing here (and absolutely, rightfully so - what's the point of elections if the losers just get.... rehired?). Lots of people do admit though that it's great to see the NDP make massive inroads in Calgary, despite that being the battleground that ultimately decided this election. That popularity should continue into 2027 as provincial demographics change too.

When it comes to politics and hitting social issues head on, Edmonton is progressively awesome. And this is coming from a Calgarian.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

But wasn't Alberta always rascist, bigoted oil field trash, rednecks? Maybe Alberta hasn't changed and your friend is only now realizing what Alberta is?

It was always a stereotype, but you could just deal with it. It didn't take over every discussion like it does now, and if it did, it wasn't filled with just hate filled BS. There was a filter that is now removed and it's made people worse.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Well they have long memories, and Bill 6 passed by the NDP in 2016(?) has forever lost the rural vote.

NDP still vilified as monsters 8 years later, for wanting transient farm workers to be protected by WCB and children of farmers to not go through life with only one arm or suffocate in grain silos.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yoho is a troll bro. Just ignore it.

Thanks for the heads up!

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This election begs the question, what does the NDP need to do to attract voters from suburbs, small cities, towns, acreages and farmers.

A lot of traditional conservatives who are more moderate will hopefully jump ship when they finally realize the UCP is not a form of conservatism they’re comfortable supporting…if it can even be called conservatism. People like Lee Richardson, Tom Lukusak (sp?) and Doug Griffiths. The UCP should have been intellectually honest and included a plebiscite on whether voters support separatism.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Because winning an election doesn't mean governing for yourself but for the entire population, even those who didn't vote for you. Like holy #### I can't believe that I have to explain that to you.

Close to 50% of the population didn't vote for you, that should give some pause for a sober second thought, should it not? Or do their values not count because they are on a different team?

I really don't think that you are a good or reasonable person. I know a lot of conservatives, including many deputy ministers and people in government. I enjoy talking with them and I respect them... You on the other hand seem like a bore.

Actually about 80% of the Alberta population didn't vote for the UCP.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah its the sad truth.

Was talking to a friend yesterday Black Tuesday and we agreed nothing will change until these people just die off.

They don't know anything or care to learn, just that my daddy voted this way and its blue.

Agreed. Either we wait for all of them to die, or we take away their ability to vote.

It’s ok, since they don’t believe in science or universal healthcare, I’m sure they won’t live very long.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

A lot of traditional conservatives who are more moderate will hopefully jump ship when they finally realize the UCP is not a form of conservatism they’re comfortable supporting…if it can even be called conservatism. People like Lee Richardson, Tom Lukusak (sp?) and Doug Griffiths. The UCP should have been intellectually honest and included a plebiscite on whether voters support separatism.

Forget separatism. It would have been nice if they even campaigned on promises like the Alberta Pension or Police force. These things have been very much top of mind for the Premier in the last 6 months, but completely ignored when looking for a mandate from the province.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Forget separatism. It would have been nice if they even campaigned on promises like the Alberta Pension or Police force. These things have been very much top of mind for the Premier in the last 6 months, but completely ignored when looking for a mandate from the province.

Oh, she's certainly going to claim she has a mandate for those items. In fact I saw an article this morning where she already brought up the police force again. The week isn't even over and recounts are still being conducted.