[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[dino7c]

Sven might not be facing anyone in the NHL playoffs

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by shniper

Resvenge?

Svend up, then down...

[Southside]

What a d!nk.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by heep223

I keep thinking of Monahan when I read this stuff about Sven, because he has the exact opposite attitude. All Mony wants to do is get better. "What sophomore slump? Should get better every year." Working on strength, d-zone, face offs, details. To the point that Hartley has to remind him to keep up his offensive game.

Whereas Sven seems to want to just play how he played in Junior, against teenagers, and have things handed to him (ie "help me in any way they can").

I remember during training camp before last season, Baertschi was asked by a reporter about playing with Monahan and potentially playing with him during the season. Baertschi responded by saying that going back to junior was good for him in his first post draft season, insinuating that he thought Monahan would be sent down and he would stay up. Of course, the opposite ended up happening.

I think that was the beginning of the end as far as his attitude was concerned. Reading between the lines of course, but considering everything that has happened since then, I think it's true.

[Red Menace]

Wow...a lot of "insinuating" and "reading between the lines" in this thread.
I'll be cheering hard against the Canucks like anyone else...but the amount of hate and vitriol towards this kid who was part of our organization for years is frankly shameful.

[dash_pinched]

I do agree with Sven on one aspect of that latest article, I also hope that Vancouver and Calgary meet in the first round of the playoffs. Who knows, I might have as much TOI as Baertschi in the series.

[Bingo]

Imagine Hartley's frustration if that Baertschi quote is indicative of what he was hearing working with the kid every day?

It's one quote, but put with this Penticton camp stuff and other comments it's becoming a little more clear that the Flames may have been smart to sell less high than have it waste out altogether.

I'm just so glad I don't have to worry about his waiver status at next year's camp all summer.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Wow...a lot of "insinuating" and "reading between the lines" in this thread.
I'll be cheering hard against the Canucks like anyone else...but the amount of hate and vitriol towards this kid who was part of our organization for years is frankly shameful.

You see what you want to see. Keep apologizing for the kid.

[Rikster]

Imagine Hartley's frustration if that Baertschi quote is indicative of what he was hearing working with the kid every day?

Keeping in mind that the Flames farm team is a non playoff team this season and is one of the most penalized teams in the league, after listening to the entire interview he sounds like most players do who have been traded from a struggling team to a team fighting for first place.

I don't think criticism from any source regarding player development is offside when you consider that the Flames have missed the post season the past 5 seasons and 12 of the past 17 and might not get in again this season.

The Burkey fly by upon arrival from Toronto where he wet the bed is a head scratcher and as I've suggested before was more of a shot at Feaster than the player as he laid the paper trail for his firing.

[Poe969]

I don't see much hate or vitriol towards him any more than most any other canuck player. The kid's self entitlement issues are what's getting people here fired up, it seems that he thinks he's a lot better than he is and people here feel bad that they put so much faith in him only to be let down. The more he talks, the worse the situation gets. If he wants to impress people, he needs to start producing.

[Tinordi]

How naive of me to assume that we'd move on from the ultra-lame sven____ jokes.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Keeping in mind that the Flames farm team is a non playoff team this season and is one of the most penalized teams in the league, after listening to the entire interview he sounds like most players do who have been traded from a struggling team to a team fighting for first place.

I don't think criticism from any source regarding player development is offside when you consider that the Flames have missed the post season the past 5 seasons and 12 of the past 17 and might not get in again this season.
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Relevance? Apart from just using this as a chance to take a shot at the organization what relevance does this have.
It would be like me saying upon any criticism being made against the Canucks "Well I don't think criticism from any source is offside when you consider the Canucks have never won a cup".

Do you really think Sven was thinking about those things when he made the comments?

Weird take.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Wow...a lot of "insinuating" and "reading between the lines" in this thread.
I'll be cheering hard against the Canucks like anyone else...but the amount of hate and vitriol towards this kid who was part of our organization for years is frankly shameful.

Agreed.

It reeks of Edmonton and how they turn on ex-players the moment they're out the door. The Flames organization has wished Sven the best and so do I - so long as that doesn't equate to any level of success for the Canucks organization.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Keeping in mind that the Flames farm team is a non playoff team this season and is one of the most penalized teams in the league, after listening to the entire interview he sounds like most players do who have been traded from a struggling team to a team fighting for first place.

I don't think criticism from any source regarding player development is offside when you consider that the Flames have missed the post season the past 5 seasons and 12 of the past 17 and might not get in again this season.

The Burkey fly by upon arrival from Toronto where he wet the bed is a head scratcher and as I've suggested before was more of a shot at Feaster than the player as he laid the paper trail for his firing.

lol

I was wondering how Nuck fans would interpret Baertschi's latest comments, because one would have to do some interesting mental gymnastics to create any kind of positive spin from them.

I must say: well done. You managed to take "don’t try to make me something I’m not" and turn it into 'the Flames weren't in the playoffs when I was a 5 year old back in Switzerland'.

Very well done indeed!

[ForeverFlameFan]

After reading those comments, I am quite happy Sven is gone. He was probably dragging this organization down more than keeping it up. Your self-entitled issues is a perfect fit for the Canucks.

[Tinordi]

Weisbrod losses another trade.

[GGG]

One thing I liked about Sven is that he was open in what he was thinking. He was never a player to go to cliches. And this definately hurt his perception in the public lately. When it was I want to be Jerome and lead this team it was great that he was putting these expectations on himself. When its they want me to change how I play he gets crucified.

So although I think his current comments show why he was not successful hear I don't think we should crucify him for making them. Its a tough situation when you don't like your boss. In the normal world you would find a new job. In the hockey world you are stuck. So I think Sven definately needs to adjust his attitude and work ethic in order to be successful in the NHL I appreciate his Ccandor in what he sees as going wrong despite how misguided it appears to be.

[Rikster]

Relevance? Apart from just using this as a chance to take a shot at the organization what relevance does this have

The knee jerk and predictable reaction is to attack the player, the more productive reaction would be to examine the organizations player development program and ask why has the organization failed so often to develop its prospects?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GGG

One thing I liked about Sven is that he was open in what he was thinking. He was never a player to go to cliches. And this definately hurt his perception in the public lately. When it was I want to be Jerome and lead this team it was great that he was putting these expectations on himself. When its they want me to change how I play he gets crucified.

So although I think his current comments show why he was not successful hear I don't think we should crucify him for making them. Its a tough situation when you don't like your boss. In the normal world you would find a new job. In the hockey world you are stuck. So I think Sven definately needs to adjust his attitude and work ethic in order to be successful in the NHL I appreciate his Ccandor in what he sees as going wrong despite how misguided it appears to be.

Except that it's not always so easy to "find a new job". But even so, if everyone at work says "Here's how it should be done", and they try and help you to do things differently, but still you think you're right and know better...

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Rikster

The knee jerk and predictable reaction is to attack the player, the more productive reaction would be to examine the organizations player development program and ask why has the organization failed so often to develop its prospects?

Gaudreau and Monahan have developed pretty well.

Has a lot more to do with the quality of the prospect than it does the quality of development.

Sven was a 7, Nemisz was a 3. Now Calgary has a handful of 10s and don't need to hang their hats on a 7.

Meanwhile, the last canuck rookie to score more than 10 goals was Dan Sedin.