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No doubt in my mind Jihadis will shift their focus to the large cities of the USA.
That is why this is not only ignorant, bigoted and evil, but stupid. Doing this would be a huge propaganda victory for just about every terrorist group in the Middle East. If you wanted to convince the majority of normal citizens there that America is their enemy, you won't even have to exaggerate to make your point.
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That is why this is not only ignorant, bigoted and evil, but stupid. Doing this would be a huge propaganda victory for just about every terrorist group in the Middle East. If you wanted to convince the majority of normal citizens there that America is their enemy, you won't even have to exaggerate to make your point.
If you are planning for the evangelical end of days, it's not such a bad policy.
Maybe this ruins Trump's campaign. It should. It also at this point probably won't which is scary in and of itself.
The fact all these guys are so heavily courting the christian right is disgusting but also not shocking. The GOP had to do this pandering before and used race to do it. It's where the whole states rights things really started....some people weren't so happy with Jim Crow law dismantling and most of these guys were white southern democrats. The Southern Strategy allowed Nixon to win the south, and boom the whole electorate was turned on it's ear. Minorities flocked to the democrats and the democrats changed and welcomed them (more or less).
A few years ago the factions had a very visible split...and shockingly it occurred when a black guy was president! I don't believe that is any sort of coincidence though very few will admit it. And now, as the GOP risks splitting votes to a potential rogue third party they are moving right in what is really a repeat of the southern strategy. They avoid the vote splitting but at some point they are going to move so far right they have no chance of getting back to the center that the party will implode. They have tried the last two elections of having the candidate move right during the nomination and then trying to move them back closer to the center and it doesn't work. The candidates they have right now will not allow them to move to the center at all for the general election. Which is why the GOP establishment is scared of Trump and Carson being so high in the polls for so long...and why the establishment really like Bush (essentially most moderate). But this is what happens when you lose control of the party to the Tea Party idiots.
When your chairmen has to apologize to black voters for using race as a way to win elections and ignoring the black population for decades there is an issue. That happened in 2005 and it is WORSE now. Besides these disgusting comments the last week or so the republican states have been busily engineering voting districts boundaries and voting ID laws to reduce the impact of the minority votes. They are making changes not because they make sense or are the best way to do things but because they want power. And that is the establishment...so how do they condemn what is the obvious next step in this whole thing? It may scare them, but they've sown those seeds themselves.
This religion thing is just part and parcel for a party that for 50 years has been based on starting, maintaining and fanning the fires of race wars.
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White House Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman noted that Nixon "emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognized this while not appearing to."
The Republican party 50 years later hasn't learned a damn thing it seems. Oh there were times when you thought that just maybe they understood some of this but that ugly faction always finds it way into the power of the party.
Don't kid yourselves, Trump is 100% getting a bump from this. Go on social media, every single Trump fan is blaming the liberal media for this. Said he never said anything of this kind, or that we're at war and this is what you have to do sometimes.
Ok, lets say he didn't actually say he wants the database. They're clearly 100% cool with him floating the idea. That alone is an enormous problem. Also seeing lots of them saying they'd register for a Christian database because they have nothing to hide. It's scary how much Christians are cool with fascism as long as it takes out Muslims
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Don't kid yourselves, Trump is 100% getting a bump from this. Go on social media, every single Trump fan is blaming the liberal media for this. Said he never said anything of this kind, or that we're at war and this is what you have to do sometimes.
Ok, lets say he didn't actually say he wants the database. They're clearly 100% cool with him floating the idea. That alone is an enormous problem. Also seeing lots of them saying they'd register for a Christian database because they have nothing to hide. It's scary how much Christians are cool with fascism as long as it takes out Muslims
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I really hope this is the case, he basically derails this entire farce of a campaign, hopefully taking the right wing extremes of the party with him. OR, the extremist base in the US actually start rallying more in favor of it and gaining momentum.
If anyone didn't find a Trump presidency frightening before, they certainly should now. Complete insanity.
The Republicans have evolved (or devolved) from somewhat stupid but funny nutjobs to a frightening base of fascists.
I love it. Every single player he's running against is just as much a nut except he's willing to be transparent. Has there ever been a more entertaining campaign? It's not like he's actually going to become president.
I love it. Every single player he's running against is just as much a nut except he's willing to be transparent. Has there ever been a more entertaining campaign? It's not like he's actually going to become president.
Did you not watch the South Park episode where they parodied this? All of a sudden Colorado is overrun by Canadian immigrants. The Americans are like wtf and the Canadians are like we don't even want to be here; it's the new PM who's the problem. At first we thought he was a joke candidate, then no one paid him any mind. Then he turned into a legit candidate and no one thought any one would actually vote for him. Then he turned into PM and built a giant ass wall on the American border and Canadians began to flee en masse.
If south park has taught me anything, it's that they are always spot on.
Trump and Carson are in a statistical tie for Iowa. Trump is up in New Hampshire by 14 points on Rubio (who is tied with Carson).
Gross.
Seriously... when Marco Rubio looks like the sane candidate you know something is seriously wrong. The only good thing about those numbers are that the earliest states are proportional so with those numbers no one is going to walk out of them with big 'mo.
I mean geez... may as well just hand Clinton the keys now.
I think the thing people are forgetting is Hillary has very bad negatives in the US. It may seem insane to think Trump can win, but I honestly think Hillary is not even close to a lock. She is not viewed favorably enough (like Ben Carson has better favorability numbers). She's going to have a rough ride and is going to need to really perform well to win the election. It's not gonna be the cakewalk some seem to think.
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I dunno, I really think once they get into a debate next to each other, it's going to look like an arrogant crazy idiot against someone you might not personally like, but isn't a crazy idiot.
I do want to give the general public in the USA some credit. Otherwise, 2016-2020 is going to be rather an important four years for the US Supreme Court...
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Honestly as much as I'd like to think so, I think the right is ready to go as bat#### as possible to keep Hillary out. And I think ultimately enough voters will prefer Adolf Trump over another Clinton/Bush. I mean we all thought Trump would be gone months ago. Americans have sort of lost the benefit of the doubt by having this circus go on this long. He's already said more than enough to be out of this race altogether, yet he's basically risen in the pools.
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Frankly I'm still hopeful that the GOP wises up and nominates one of the less-crazies, and that this is all some sort of ploy to make relatively moderate Republicans like Rubio or Bush or whoever look sane by comparison. But given that the "crazy" base is split between Carson and Trump as it is and they're still battling for the lead, you might be right.
On the other hand, there's a year to go here.
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Frankly I'm still hopeful that the GOP wises up and nominates one of the less-crazies, and that this is all some sort of ploy to make relatively moderate Republicans like Rubio or Bush or whoever look sane by comparison. But given that the "crazy" base is split between Carson and Trump as it is and they're still battling for the lead, you might be right.
On the other hand, there's a year to go here.
Not really. Super Tuesday is on March 1, and whoever wins that usually wins the party nomination. So for one of the establishment Republicans to get the nomination, they really need to start rising in the polls soon and get at least a respectable result in the first few primaries come January and February
I dunno, I really think once they get into a debate next to each other, it's going to look like an arrogant crazy idiot against someone you might not personally like, but isn't a crazy idiot.
I do want to give the general public in the USA some credit. Otherwise, 2016-2020 is going to be rather an important four years for the US Supreme Court...
Don't underestimate the Hillary-hate in the US. She's still a pretty polarizing figure...even amongst many Democrats. Amongst Republicans she's hated pretty universally. Considering that the Presidency is never decided by more than a few points, that hate might be enough to prevent her win.
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Do you the reason why more rational people aren't running is because the system is just so ####ed? Like this is the worst time to be president as no matter which party you're from, close to half of the politicians will hate you and are not willing to work with you....to the point of shutting down government and going behind your back.
Who would want to deal with that for 4 or 8 years? I highly respect Obama for putting up with this crap.
Don't underestimate the Hillary-hate in the US. She's still a pretty polarizing figure...even amongst many Democrats. Amongst Republicans she's hated pretty universally. Considering that the Presidency is never decided by more than a few points, that hate might be enough to prevent her win.
I don't know, I get the partisan hate but I can't see too many liberals voting against their party for a xenophobic fear monger. It's become a country where the undecideds will control elections, both other camps are firmly entrenched. Trump or Carson winning the nomination is the absolute best case scenario for Democrats. Rubio or Bush will be a much tougher out for Hillary, their comparatively lower levels of crazy versus what the news has been feeding us forever now will make them far more palatable to the independent voter.
