Monahan for Tarasenko sounds awful. Can Tarasenko even play anymore? He was just left unprotected in the expansion draft. Makes me think that St. Louis knows something about his health.
I would do Monahan for Tarasenko in a micro second. Every indication is his shoulder will be 100% to start the year. He is just tired of the way the Blues handled him. Tarasenko hits 40 goals easily with Johnny feeding him.
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There's just a lot of red flags about Tarasenko IMO. The Blues were just willing to give him up for free despite going 7-3 in the draft. Meaning, they viewed him as their 8th most valuable forward AND Seattle didn't pick him. Plus, it's open knowledge that Tarasenko is available. So, to me they'd probably move him for like a 3rd round pick or something and the fact they haven't means no other teams are interested.
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There's just a lot of red flags about Tarasenko IMO. The Blues were just willing to give him up for free despite going 7-3 in the draft. Meaning, they viewed him as their 8th most valuable forward AND Seattle didn't pick him. Plus, it's open knowledge that Tarasenko is available. So, to me they'd probably move him for like a 3rd round pick or something and the fact they haven't means no other teams are interested.
Cap space is a valuable thing. Especially when the player demanded a trade.
I would do Monahan for Tarasenko in a micro second. Every indication is his shoulder will be 100% to start the year. He is just tired of the way the Blues handled him. Tarasenko hits 40 goals easily with Johnny feeding him.
The Kraken took RFA Vince Dunn over Tarasenko in the expansion draft, and they had the cap space to take Tarasenko. Would you trade Monahan for Dunn? That would be the Flames' own Eberle for Strome deal, and Seattle thought that Dunn was worth more to them than Tarasenko.
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The Kraken took RFA Vince Dunn over Tarasenko in the expansion draft, and they had the cap space to take Tarasenko. Would you trade Monahan for Dunn? That would be the Flames' own Eberle for Strome deal, and Seattle thought that Dunn was worth more to them than Tarasenko.
That's a horrible way to look at it.
Seattle took Quennville from Chicago, who they let walk for free in UFA, instead of Zadorov, who returned a 3rd.
They also took Vanacek from Washington, who they traded BACK to Washington for a 2nd, instead of Dillon, who returned 2 2nds.
Geekie over Bean, who returned a 2nd, is another one too depending how you look at it, as I don't think Geekie is worth a 2nd.
There might be a couple others I'm missing too. Seattle made a bunch of selections that had people scratching their heads. The general consensus seems to be that Seattle absolutely screwed the pooch with how they approached the expansion draft, so I wouldn't use their selection of Dunn over Tarasenko as proof of anything.
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Trading the Monahan of the last 2.5 yrs for Tarasenko is an upgrade to me.
The Tarasenko of the last two years has been much, much worse than the Monahan of the last two years, because he has usually been unable to play at all. He is also older and has a higher cap hit. And he plays a less valuable position.
The more you bash the decisions made by Flames management, the happier I am that you are not making those decisions instead.
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The Tarasenko of the last two years has been much, much worse than the Monahan of the last two years, because he has usually been unable to play at all. He is also older and has a higher cap hit. And he plays a less valuable position.
The more you bash the decisions made by Flames management, the happier I am that you are not making those decisions instead.
Well Tarasenko is 29 not 39.
His problem is injury. They said he is healthy. I would trust that as much as Monahan’s injury.
Healthy Tarasenko is a much better player than healthy Monahan.
Position means #### if you can’t drive plays.
Yup no worries about me making decisions for the Flames. I am just here for opinions
A 29-year-old player is already on the downslope of his career. Most players' offensive production starts to fall before that age.
Monahan, on the other hand, is 27. Medical issues aside, he has a lot more of his prime left.
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His problem is injury. They said he is healthy. I would trust that as much as Monahan’s injury.
But you are comparing a healthy Tarasenko to an injured Monahan. So you don't trust that Monahan's injury has healed at all. Why do you trust one and not the other?
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Healthy Tarasenko is a much better player than healthy Monahan.
Is that difference worth the position and the extra million of cap hit? Especially when, based on age alone, Tarasenko is less likely to return to his career average than Monahan is.
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Position means #### if you can’t drive plays.
Are you saying that Tarasenko can drive plays and Monahan can't? This I gotta see.
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You're here to crap all over the team, its players, its management, and everything connected with them. If they did trade for Tarasenko, you'd do an about-face so fast your shoes would still be pointing backwards. Because then Tarasenko would be a Flame and therefore a bum, and Monahan would be a non-Flame and therefore a hero.
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The Tarasenko of the last two years has been much, much worse than the Monahan of the last two years, because he has usually been unable to play at all. He is also older and has a higher cap hit. And he plays a less valuable position.
The more you bash the decisions made by Flames management, the happier I am that you are not making those decisions instead.
I would be somewhat tempted to do this trade. It definitely is risky though(for both sides). The reason I can see Tarasenko as a better fit is because he has the better shot form the circles/distance. It seems that the Flames have a lot more players that score from in front of the net.
I agree with you that center is the more valuable position. However, if Monahan and Gaudreau are split up is Monahan your 2nd line center? or is he your 3rd? Regardless of what line he plays on, his line would likely need to be sheltered defensively. I don't see Monahan as a good shut down center, and if he is not on your top scoring line, then his offensive potential is also limited. I'm basing this on last season, and I could be wrong about it. Perhaps he heals and comes back to his old self, I don't have enough information to hope for that though.
Again I look at it in terms of fit, and Tarasenko could be a pretty good fit. That way you have two very good lines, with more versatile offensive weapons. Right now if I'm the opposition's coach I would try to match up my top offensive unit against Monahan's line. You still need to replace Monahan, but the top 9 look a lot more flexible in terms of match-ups. Finally, I'd probably want STL to retain salary(around $1M), just so that the cap numbers for the teams don't change as a result of the trade.
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A 29-year-old player is already on the downslope of his career. Most players' offensive production starts to fall before that age.
Monahan, on the other hand, is 27. Medical issues aside, he has a lot more of his prime left.
Honest question - what more do you need to see from Monahan at this point? Over what duration?
I don’t see how folks can still defend him at this stage. Yes there have been some injury concerns, but I really think that’s overblown and is masking some serious deficiencies in his game.
He’s no longer a guy we can skate on the top line, that much is clear. He’s a poor defensive player so you can’t skate him as a checking center. So you’re left with 2nd line, but you’d better give him someone who can get him the puck because he’s not a distributor. Oh and they’d better have wheels because he isn’t a good skater.
I think there needs to be some acceptance that what Sean Monahan was, be it injuries or just regression of his game, is not the Sean Monahan we can expect moving forward.
Hoping for a Monahan bounce back at this time gets us right back to the same place next offseason.
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Honest question - what more do you need to see from Monahan at this point? Over what duration?
I don’t see how folks can still defend him at this stage. Yes there have been some injury concerns, but I really think that’s overblown and is masking some serious deficiencies in his game.
Injuries aside, I've been seeing the same deficiencies all through his career. I don't think anything has been masked.
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