Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by chemgear

It would be ironic that the Liberal party stabs Freeland in the back again by elevating Carney over her. Trudeau tossed her under the bus just to promote him only over her just a few months ago to finally kick this off. Then he goes and lectures the world about how the US didn't vote for Harris because women's rights and progress is under attack.

Going to be an interesting series of weeks with all these knives out and everybody so stabby stabby.

Canada might run out of knives due to all of the great leadership.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Have to admit that's sort of the fence I'm on. Carney is a guy I'm quite willing to listen to what he has to say. I'll be interested to see what he puts forth as a plan in the coming days. Is it generalizations or will it have some substance.

If the party rejects him and just choses Freelund...well better luck in 2029.

I don't think anyone can save the Liberal party in this election. But come next election cycle the electorate in a lot of these Western democracies might be thinking oh no we've made a horrible mistake with the current run of populist types winning.

I think the Liberals have dug themselves such a deep hole that the conservatives are going to get more than one term. Most PMs have gotten 2 terms. But Trudeau has at least guaranteed the upcoming election for the Conservatives. He’s the gift that keeps on giving.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Seems like a good enough reason

Hey, the angry right started that strategy. Unfortunate it can have the reverse effect as well.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

But I am in the center, the liberals under Trudeau were nowhere near the center and that's only half the reason why they were terrible.

Carney? Well lets wait till he releases some policies or even wins the leadership and he still needs to be elected. He has no choice but to pretend to be right of Junior because he is going to have to try real hard to distance himself. But i have my doubts he would ever govern that way.

Until then PP is where it's at.

You've posted more than anyone here since Carney made a video appearance; waiting is a good idea.

This all could be going on for 6 months+, so lots of time for him to show if he's more of the same or different from JT.
PP will also have start talking policies. The anti Trudeau campaign worked wonderfully; but I expect more as we get closer to any actual election & after the new Liberal leader's in place.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

But I am in the center, the liberals under Trudeau were nowhere near the center and that's only half the reason why they were terrible.

Carney? Well lets wait till he releases some policies or even wins the leadership and he still needs to be elected. He has no choice but to pretend to be right of Junior because he is going to have to try real hard to distance himself. But i have my doubts he would ever govern that way.

Until then PP is where it's at.

Define the center in Canadian politics. What centrist policies do you support?

[Geraldsh]

Carney = Prentice
Free land = Smith
History = repeating

[Ped]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

But I am in the center, the liberals under Trudeau were nowhere near the center and that's only half the reason why they were terrible.

Carney? Well lets wait till he releases some policies or even wins the leadership and he still needs to be elected. He has no choice but to pretend to be right of Junior because he is going to have to try real hard to distance himself. But i have my doubts he would ever govern that way.

Until then PP is where it's at.

Lol. Better the guy that we already know what kind of fringe wingnuts he hangs around, rather than the guy who we actually don't know if he is going to be truthful about his promises (that he hasn't made yet).

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

We really lack a party that represents the blue collar worker. PP is where a large portion have coalesced but he certainly isn’t going to help. I don’t think I’ve ever supported proportional representation before but it would really help right to have a credible socially right workers party to get votes that could work with a socially left workers party.

But you are right Carney is a global economy pro-trade, pro-market guy. Hes the Mulroney era conservative we need right now.

PP does not represent the worker.

Carney is a ship your jobs to China conservative. Just like the rest of them.

Also funny how he's trying to walk back his position on the carbon tax. For years it was 'tax it higher', now its 'well maybe we should reconsider how its applied.'

Hilarious.

Just like him and Freeland trying to act like they didn't support or were part of the Liberal policies the past how many years that led to this mess.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

OK, rate the strategy. When Trump tariffs everything, he'll have quick push back from some Republican states, and he'll be making carve outs to keep senate and house votes for future legislation. So every time Trump exempts something, we put an export duty on that exemption, meaning he no longer gets the tariff, and the Americans don't get their price relief, and we get the extra duty. Good? Bad? Suicidal? I missed a loophole the size of Mercury?

100% support this.

In fact I'd just go ahead and do it right now.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

100% support this.

In fact I'd just go ahead and do it right now.

How about on energy?

[Locke]

Carney might be all well and good but how is he at Ring Toss and if he wins do we all get the giant stuffed bear?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

How about on energy?

I would do it today.

The dollar is 40% less right now, a 10-20% export tax on all energy applied the day Trump becomes POTUS still gives the US the discount they want, but we start actually benefiting from it.

On the power side, why should we sell our hydro power down south for super cheap rates?

Also, just the talks of tariffs is already negatively affecting Canadian manufacturers shipping stuff south as their American customers are holding back on orders in anticipation of the tariffs.
So as far as I'm concerned, its already begun.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Carney might be all well and good but how is he at Ring Toss and if he wins do we all get the giant stuffed bear?

Yes, his name sounds like a carnival worker, we got it the first time.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Azure

100% support this.

In fact I'd just go ahead and do it right now.

Why stop at those things?

Why not just put an export tariff on everything. And double it.

It will be raining money in Canada.

That'll show em.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Carney = Prentice
Free land = Smith
History = repeating

LOL

Pierre Pomerainian ≠ Notley Good luck with that one.

Also Southern Ontario Voters > AB Lemmings

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

How about on energy?

I think if we did that the tariffs would be gone quicker than Pierre could think up another verb the noun.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

I would do it today.

The dollar is 40% less right now, a 10-20% export tax on all energy applied the day Trump becomes POTUS still gives the US the discount they want, but we start actually benefiting from it.

On the power side, why should we sell our hydro power down south for super cheap rates?

Also, just the talks of tariffs is already negatively affecting Canadian manufacturers shipping stuff south as their American customers are holding back on orders in anticipation of the tariffs.
So as far as I'm concerned, its already begun.

This point is interesting because I think just the opposite is happening. Are American companies loading up because they see the tariffs coming and want to get ahead?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think if we did that the tariffs would be gone quicker than Pierre could think up another verb the noun.

The 'attack' dog was too chicken to weigh in on boobbusses's stance yesterday.

What a leader!

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

I miss Mel!

[Fuzz]

So at what point does PP actually get a security clearance? Will he wait until after the election?