[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[bdubbs]

I'm OK with the return, but I'm relieved we didn't end up with nothing for Hanifin. Imagine how much better off we'd be right now with even a pick+roster player for expiring Johnny Gaudreau.

Now, we know where the team is destined to go in the next few years, which is towards a rebuild. And we have a ton of picks in the next few years to play with. I personally can't wait to watch Conroy and co. work on the next few drafts. Our prospect threads will be very fun to follow.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes. You have total control over what you getting and know what you have moving forward. Those assets have more value if you try and move them. Each year out you are then pushing your rebuild-retool out another year, and depending on draft position, pushing players out making the team even further.



IF they turn out CERTAIN ways. That's a lot of hope. Draft picks are unknowns and conditional draft picks are even greater unknowns. Trying to believe we're going to back into a top 10 draft pick is just sad. Work in absolutes, not in magic beans. Thinking Las Vegas is going to plummet to the bottom of the league is just wishful thinking. Look at what is projected to be on their 2025-26 roster.

Jack Eichel (29)
Mark Stone (33)
William Karlsson (33)
Ivan Barbashev (30)
Nicholas Roy (29)
Paul Cotter (26)
Brendan Brisson (22)
Pavel Dorofeyev (25)

Alex Pietrangleo (36)
Zach Whitecloud (27)
Nicolas Hague (27)
Ben Hutton (32)
Tobias Bjornfot (24)

Plus they will have over $45M in projected cap space to fill out the roster. Vegas is not going to stop being one of the most attractive teams in the league and being able to attract top talent. They are not going to fall off a cliff. Unless a meteor hits Las Vegas that is not going to be a top 10 lottery team. So how is this going to workout in certain ways?

Weird list of players. You have 13 players there but only 9 are under contract. You then imply that they have 45 million to fill out the roster but a decent chunk of that 45 million (say 10 million or more) will be needed to sign the players you have listed there but are not signed. What we know for sure is the 2024 pick is going to suck. 2026 may also suck or it may be better.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes. You have total control over what you getting and know what you have moving forward. Those assets have more value if you try and move them. Each year out you are then pushing your rebuild-retool out another year, and depending on draft position, pushing players out making the team even further.



IF they turn out CERTAIN ways. That's a lot of hope. Draft picks are unknowns and conditional draft picks are even greater unknowns. Trying to believe we're going to back into a top 10 draft pick is just sad. Work in absolutes, not in magic beans. Thinking Las Vegas is going to plummet to the bottom of the league is just wishful thinking. Look at what is projected to be on their 2025-26 roster.

Jack Eichel (29)
Mark Stone (33)
William Karlsson (33)
Ivan Barbashev (30)
Nicholas Roy (29)
Paul Cotter (26)
Brendan Brisson (22)
Pavel Dorofeyev (25)

Alex Pietrangleo (36)
Zach Whitecloud (27)
Nicolas Hague (27)
Ben Hutton (32)
Tobias Bjornfot (24)

Plus they will have over $45M in projected cap space to fill out the roster. Vegas is not going to stop being one of the most attractive teams in the league and being able to attract top talent. They are not going to fall off a cliff. Unless a meteor hits Las Vegas that is not going to be a top 10 lottery team. So how is this going to workout in certain ways?

Its "a lot of hope" that the defending cup champs win round 1 this year? Cause thats one condition met if it happens.

Then the other one is a 1st....next year or the year after and they will know what that is in about 28 hours...which gives them control over ....whatever it is you are saying they need control over.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm treating it like a 1st, 2nd and D partner for Pachal for the next two years.

It's ok. Not great. If Vegas sees a decline it could get better.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Get over yourself.

I'm replying to a message on a message board with my opinion just like you.

And there are plenty of differences.

Feaster moved Bouwmeester a year early for a weak package. Didn't have to make the move.

Regehr to Buffalo ... didn't have to make the move.

Iginla ... he was boxed in, and he was a UFA. Comparable.

There was talk that Sutter moved Phaneuf without talking to the league ... didn't have to make the move.

Hanifin to Vegas was done in a window with less than 2 days to expiry and a build up that took almost a year.

I can see a difference. If you can't fill your boots.

This exactly. If he trades Markstrom for a bag of pucks - its a different scenario where you don't need to make the trade because you can just keep the player. All of these other trades - they have to make them by the deadline or get nothing. He could just say that the offers aren't good enough and keep Hanifin, but that's just cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I dont understand this part. At worst, they let most teams know that they werent likely to sign an extension. If I'm Hanifin I'm not signing an extension with anyone until after a trade anyway. Why would I want to make the team I'm going to worse by having to give up more assets to get an extended "me"?

That isn't his ability to do, Hanifin is under contract to the Flames. His agent talking to other teams about what he is doing in the future is tampering.

It would be like McDavid's agent openly talking to the Leafs telling them he is only going to sign with them when his current contract expires. if the Oilers try to trade him nobody is offering fair value because his agent has already committed to the Leafs.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes. You have total control over what you getting and know what you have moving forward. Those assets have more value if you try and move them. Each year out you are then pushing your rebuild-retool out another year, and depending on draft position, pushing players out making the team even further.



IF they turn out CERTAIN ways. That's a lot of hope. Draft picks are unknowns and conditional draft picks are even greater unknowns. Trying to believe we're going to back into a top 10 draft pick is just sad. Work in absolutes, not in magic beans. Thinking Las Vegas is going to plummet to the bottom of the league is just wishful thinking. Look at what is projected to be on their 2025-26 roster.

Jack Eichel (29)
Mark Stone (33)
William Karlsson (33)
Ivan Barbashev (30)
Nicholas Roy (29)
Paul Cotter (26)
Brendan Brisson (22)
Pavel Dorofeyev (25)

Alex Pietrangleo (36)
Zach Whitecloud (27)
Nicolas Hague (27)
Ben Hutton (32)
Tobias Bjornfot (24)

Plus they will have over $45M in projected cap space to fill out the roster. Vegas is not going to stop being one of the most attractive teams in the league and being able to attract top talent. They are not going to fall off a cliff. Unless a meteor hits Las Vegas that is not going to be a top 10 lottery team. So how is this going to workout in certain ways?

Stone could be done any year. Why are Cotter, Roy, Brisson and Dorofeyev even mentioned? Those guys aren’t impact players, and a couple aren’t even NHL guys. Same with Hutton and Bjornfot.

I get your argument but I also think you are really grasping at straws when you list those players. Mark Stone is the key to that team, if he’s not healthy, they miss the playoffs in 2026, that roster with those players you mentioned is ugly. You better to argue that they will land some big name free agents in Summer 2025 which will keep them competitive, this is more likely to happen.

[activeStick]

I laughed when reading an earlier post, suggesting that Conroy is bad at trades, and while acknowledging that the Lindholm return was great for the Flames, only happened because Rutherford was being a good guy. The ideas that people come up with are fascinating.

The lesson learned is that even hardcore hockey fans like us have no idea of the NHL trade market (myself included) when looking back at the trade return suggestions brought forth over the last number of months.

I mentioned it in a post a few weeks ago, but I hope the Flames stop giving out NMC/NTC in the future (not sure how likely they'll be able to do that). For the discount they get, it's just not worth having to deal with, if the time comes and they want to trade the player away. I'd rather they eat the extra cap hit than struggle with a limited set of teams the player will go to. I'd also like the team to consider moving a player out when they're going into their 2nd last year on their contract in some cases. A market like Calgary needs to be extra careful with contracts and players on expiring deals.

Finally, overall, I think Conroy has done fine. We also know that Conroy said his management style is collaborative, which means all of his deals to date were definitely ones that had been discussed with a very experienced hockey management team and finalized with a consensus. Don't think he's doing this stuff lone ranger style.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Wait a second... Tampa was the other team interested?

Why didn't Conroy just get Kucherov?

This deal stinks.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

That isn't his ability to do, Hanifin is under contract to the Flames. His agent talking to other teams about what he is doing in the future is tampering.

It would be like McDavid's agent openly talking to the Leafs telling them he is only going to sign with them when his current contract expires. if the Oilers try to trade him nobody is offering fair value because his agent has already committed to the Leafs.

As was mentioned before though, a team is interested in a trade for Hanifin, asks Conroy permission to inquire about a contract, Conroy has 2 options:
1. Say no and most likely it ends there.
2. Say yes then when the agent is asked the agent says it isnt likely.

[mdubz]

Friedman just mentioned a lot of teams were wanting Miromanov and Conroy wanted him as the centrepiece in the deal.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'd like to know what people are seeing in Miromanov to make him this sought after d-man.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Friedman just mentioned a lot of teams were wanting Miromanov and Conroy wanted him as the centrepiece in the deal.

SMH. Sounds like Friedman playing the game. Guy is 26. Buried or not what are the chances he’s a gem at this point.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Friedman just mentioned a lot of teams were wanting Miromanov and Conroy wanted him as the centrepiece in the deal.

Huh, interesting. Seems there might be something more there.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This exactly. If he trades Markstrom for a bag of pucks - its a different scenario where you don't need to make the trade because you can just keep the player. All of these other trades - they have to make them by the deadline or get nothing. He could just say that the offers aren't good enough and keep Hanifin, but that's just cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

Yep ...

Markstrom bid from Jersey vs any other bids.
Markstrom value in the summer if they turn down the jersey bid (if there is one).
Markstrom's place next year.
The goalie market in the summer.

All decisions that require a GM to make a call. If you get more calls right then wrong (it's painfully close to 50% for most GMs) you are in the upper half to third of GMs in the league.

Last night was the culmination of nine months of assessing a market and dealing with restrictions, and facing a deadline in 40 hours.

You take the best you can at some point ... with the only "call" being last night vs what he thinks would transpire in the next day and a half.

Saying he was bent over or got worked is just infantile fan rage.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

SMH. Sounds like Friedman playing the game. Guy is 26. Buried or not what are the chances he’s a gem at this point.

Why would he play a game.

He's passing on what he's hearing.

Maybe the player has more value than the CP experts that have never heard of the player until 815pm last night.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Friedman just mentioned a lot of teams were wanting Miromanov and Conroy wanted him as the centrepiece in the deal.

That is interesting. Conroy has clearly targeted D-men buried in organizations that are deep at the position. Might be some found money

Pahal
Grushnikov
Miromanov

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bluejays

SMH. Sounds like Friedman playing the game. Guy is 26. Buried or not what are the chances he’s a gem at this point.

Why in the world would Friedman be "playing the game".....chances are about 100% he heard this said and just relayed it.

Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you, but just because something was said that runs counter to your own opinion does not make it anything but what it is.....stating a fact as he understands it.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by bluejays

SMH. Sounds like Friedman playing the game. Guy is 26. Buried or not what are the chances he’s a gem at this point.

He’s a very interesting player. Puts up tons of points as a defenseman in the AHL and buried under the depth in Vegas. He indicated he would not re-sign there.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

IF they turn out CERTAIN ways. That's a lot of hope. Draft picks are unknowns and conditional draft picks are even greater unknowns. Trying to believe we're going to back into a top 10 draft pick is just sad. Work in absolutes, not in magic beans. Thinking Las Vegas is going to plummet to the bottom of the league is just wishful thinking. Look at what is projected to be on their 2025-26 roster.

Jack Eichel (29)
Mark Stone (33)
William Karlsson (33)
Ivan Barbashev (30)
Nicholas Roy (29)
Paul Cotter (26)
Brendan Brisson (22)
Pavel Dorofeyev (25)

Alex Pietrangleo (36)
Zach Whitecloud (27)
Nicolas Hague (27)
Ben Hutton (32)
Tobias Bjornfot (24)

Don't mean to nitpick but the first 2 ages I looked up were wrong, Brisson is 22 now. Zack Whitecloud is 27 now.