[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[8sPOT]

I really dont get how a 1st rounder pushed out a year or two is worse than a 1st this year? I'm really baffled by this take. In fact it could end up being a higher pick.

Is Vegas about to plummet down the standings now? What am I missing here? I've seen a few people say that its disappointing the 1st rd pick is not 2024.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really dont get how a 1st rounder pushed out a year or two is worse than a 1st this year? I'm really baffled by this take. In fact it could end up being a higher pick.

Is Vegas about to plummet down the standings now? What am I missing here? I've seen a few people say that its disappointing the 1st rd pick is not 2024.

I think its better in a couple of ways. It could be a higher pick if Vegas begins to falter. It should be a deeper draft than this one according to many. It spreads our picks out a little bit.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Look it was kind of funny listening to Steinberg and company pivot as the evening went on.

First when Miromanov was the only piece mentioned, it was really downplayed. Speculated that he was included to help Vegas lower their number of contracts so they could make another move.

Then f they went on about the supposed horrible Tampa offer and how the best piece of that offer was a first round pick way out in 2026.

So hard not to listen to all of that and hear some rationalization going on now that the full package has been revealed. I think it's fair to say that the defenseman was not highly valued across the league but we'll see. I assume he would have been available as a UFA this summer.

I vividly remember Conroy coming on the radio after the Iginla trade. He acknowledged that Hanowski and Agostino were not blue chip prospects, that Flames were not trading a prime Iginla at that point in his career and how important it was that they got the first round pick right.

Well this package is definitely a little better than that one. The defenseman is hopefully a better prospect than either of those two, although he is quite a bit older. And if the pick is a second, that is even better. The first rounder being pushed out a year or two isn't as good obviously.

None of that matters now though. Flames need to be right about their evaluation of their prospects acquired and do a good job at the draft table.

Good post but I disagree with the bolded. I think Gms get tunnel vision on getting picks for the current year, but there is sometimes more upside to push out with less protection. I don't mind the pick being pushed out at all and view it as somewhat of a positive particularly when you are trading with contending teams.

That being said, the Vegas pick would be around 20, which is actually strong as well. So in this case a current year pick would have been stronger than usual for contending teams.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by bax

After sleeping on it I am feeling more than comfortable with the trade.

It’s not perfect, but we got some quality assets considering Conroy’s hands were tied by Brisson.

The biggest takeaway for me is that the page has officially been turned from the Treliving era. The UFA crop is all gone and the direction of this team hasn’t been this crystal clear in decades.

We have our vets signed long term for the rebuild in Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, and Weegar. A good crop of players to enforce good habits and instill a strong culture on the young players, but not good enough to keep us away from some high draft picks.

We have our “mid term” players that will likely be gone before we are competitive again and can be used to get future assets in Markstrom, Mangiapane, Vladar, Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Miromanov.

We have a fairly solid prospect base coming up (lacking blue chip pieces though) in Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Honzek, Pospisil, Wolf, Poirer, Brz, Grushnikov, Morin.

And finally we have some draft capital. Two firsts this year, two firsts next year, and a bunch of extra mid round picks. You can never have enough and I would love for them to get another first for Markstrom considering we have incentive to bad next season.

Time for our scouting staff to earn their keep and swing for the fences. Long shot, but a little lottery luck would be huge for this franchise too. We are certainly due for a bit of that.

Conman vision summarized perfectly! Thank goodness Lindholm and Hanifin forced his hand. Buy low/sell high; draft well and develop patiently.

Next 2 days offers us a glimpse into whether he favors middling/stay in race vs sell now/short tank. Do worry we won't get those blue chip prospects we need with the former.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Sutter4Mayor

Vegas with another year of circumventing the cap. The league needs to do something about it.

Wait until the Oilers’ cup window closes. Then do so something about it.

Only a little over 2 seasons left and the McWindow is closed. I can't believe how fast it's gone by...and how much the Grease have blown this era

[Duffalufagus]

This whole run of trades sure has the feel of someone trading CMC in fantasy football for a bunch of bench players and a couple of lottery tickets.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah this really has me cheering for a big splash by Vegas in the next day. Feels like win/win.

The ‘25/‘26 issue doesn’t need to be determined this year does it? The way I read it is the Flames get the ‘25 pick in ‘25 if Vegas has it, meaning at the ‘25 draft. They have this year and next year to trade it if they want, e.g. to load up again next TDL.

Unfortunately I don’t see them cratering in ‘26 either. Yes they’re getting older and will need to shed some salary, but they are still loaded with talent and have the ‘24 and ‘25 first round picks to play with.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Only a little over 2 seasons left and the McWindow is closed. I can't believe how fast it's gone by...and how much the Grease have blown this era

Id argue its over this year as this time next year we will be watching where Draisaitl goes.

[Bubba17]

Everyone has their own opinion about whether it was good or not. The point is this is what was offered when Hanifin's agent screwed up the market.

And for people thinking they were going to get a top 10 RD1 pick, never going to happen. No lower team is trading their top pick for a rental. Every option of a first round pick was going to be high 27-32 so a top 20 pick from Vegas was quite good.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Look it was kind of funny listening to Steinberg and company pivot as the evening went on.

First when Miromanov was the only piece mentioned, it was really downplayed. Speculated that he was included to help Vegas lower their number of contracts so they could make another move.

Then f they went on about the supposed horrible Tampa offer and how the best piece of that offer was a first round pick way out in 2026.

So hard not to listen to all of that and hear some rationalization going on now that the full package has been revealed. I think it's fair to say that the defenseman was not highly valued across the league but we'll see. I assume he would have been available as a UFA this summer.

Yeah that back track cope was funny. I noticed that too.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

This whole run of trades sure has the feel of someone trading CMC in fantasy football for a bunch of bench players and a couple of lottery tickets.

Welcome to a rebuild. I’ll take it over hockey trades for similar aged guys

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Caboose

If the Flames received a 2024 1st and a 2024 3rd with zero conditions, would this trade have been acceptable to you?

Yes. You have total control over what you getting and know what you have moving forward. Those assets have more value if you try and move them. Each year out you are then pushing your rebuild-retool out another year, and depending on draft position, pushing players out making the team even further.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why are the conditions embarrassing? I think they could actually work out for the better if things play out in certain ways.

IF they turn out CERTAIN ways. That's a lot of hope. Draft picks are unknowns and conditional draft picks are even greater unknowns. Trying to believe we're going to back into a top 10 draft pick is just sad. Work in absolutes, not in magic beans. Thinking Las Vegas is going to plummet to the bottom of the league is just wishful thinking. Look at what is projected to be on their 2025-26 roster.

Jack Eichel (29)
Mark Stone (33)
William Karlsson (33)
Ivan Barbashev (30)
Nicholas Roy (29)
Paul Cotter (26)
Brendan Brisson (22)
Pavel Dorofeyev (25)

Alex Pietrangleo (36)
Zach Whitecloud (27)
Nicolas Hague (27)
Ben Hutton (32)
Tobias Bjornfot (24)

Plus they will have over $45M in projected cap space to fill out the roster. Vegas is not going to stop being one of the most attractive teams in the league and being able to attract top talent. They are not going to fall off a cliff. Unless a meteor hits Las Vegas that is not going to be a top 10 lottery team. So how is this going to workout in certain ways?

[Cheese]

5 expiring assets turned into 14 or 15.


https://twitter.com/user/status/1765609471232127281


Monster job by #Flames Craig Conroy in some really difficult circumstances.


https://twitter.com/user/status/1765595554489274684


Best part of the deal for me is the delay on the 1st to a later year.


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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Everyone has their own opinion about whether it was good or not. The point is this is what was offered when Hanifin's agent screwed up the market.

And for people thinking they were going to get a top 10 RD1 pick, never going to happen. No lower team is trading their top pick for a rental. Every option of a first round pick was going to be high 27-32 so a top 20 pick from Vegas was quite good.

There never was any top 20 pick

It’s an unknown future pick. Conroy obviously is hoping for the unprotected 2026.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really dont get how a 1st rounder pushed out a year or two is worse than a 1st this year? I'm really baffled by this take. In fact it could end up being a higher pick.

Is Vegas about to plummet down the standings now? What am I missing here? I've seen a few people say that its disappointing the 1st rd pick is not 2024.

it is not any different, a first rounder is a first rounder

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Who was it that said, earlier in the season, they hoped Conroy would get 15 assets for the pending UFAs?

After this trade, that's exactly what he got: 15 assets. He also made a couple of sneaky good waiver acquisitions. I don't consider that bad for his first year's work.

True. The team is in a better position now than it was at this time last year. It was so easy to get caught up in the speculation and expect more from the trades but it really wasn't realistic to come away with 3 1sts in each of the next few years, a young 24 year old (or younger) stud center, a young future goal scoring machine winger, and a young future #1 defenseman, plus other future key prospects that will all score 30 goals one year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bax

I mean, Vegas did miss the playoffs two seasons ago and they will only be older by then.

At the very least it could be great fun to cheer against them all season long for an extra shot in the lottery.

Eichel will be 29
Karlsson will be 33
Barbashev will be 31
Stone will be 33
Pietrangelo will be 36

It’s a long shot for sure, but not a bad gamble if they run into injury issues or something.

Plus they likely don't have Stephenson, who I think goes UFA and commands a hefty cap hit. Heading into 25-26, they may also be down Hague, Theodore, McNabb, Marchessault, and one of Thompson or Hill. Their prospects aren't great either and they won't have high draft picks to get an instant roster player. In fact, I suspect they will be sellers before that draft to try and recoup a draft pick and rebuild/retool themselves.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Everyone has their own opinion about whether it was good or not. The point is this is what was offered when Hanifin's agent screwed up the market.

And for people thinking they were going to get a top 10 RD1 pick, never going to happen. No lower team is trading their top pick for a rental. Every option of a first round pick was going to be high 27-32 so a top 20 pick from Vegas was quite good.

I dont understand this part. At worst, they let most teams know that they werent likely to sign an extension. If I'm Hanifin I'm not signing an extension with anyone until after a trade anyway. Why would I want to make the team I'm going to worse by having to give up more assets to get an extended "me"?

[Muta]

After being pissed about this trade last night, I've had some time to simmer.

Honestly, the return is a current (intriguing) player, a 1st, and a 3rd (or 2nd) for a pending UFA. This is with Hanifin's agent meddling like crazy in this as well. All while admittedly, out expectations on a return were becoming out of whack through a slow burn over several weeks. That's on us.

This trade could have been a lot worse; it's on par for a non-extended Hanifin at the deadline. Very much looking forward to seeing how this trade plays out over the next couple years. I'm happier today.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tiger

it is not any different, a first rounder is a first rounder

Looking at the next draft quality, I am perfectly OK with seeing if future drafts are better.