Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Izzle

While interesting I don't think that will hold up again. Rural folks will not consider the NDP at all.

@Amethyst also brought up a good point, back in 2015 the NDP was an afterthought. No one thought they would win. That's why it came as such a surprise. But now that conservatives know that an NDP win is possible they'll ensure that the NDP doesn't get a second choice placing.

That's me and Notley won't be getting vote

[DFO]

The brainwashing of Alberta ‘conservative’ voters is fascinating. There’ll be no reasoning most of them out of their crazy views.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Macman

Didn’t Trudeau just decline to help with energy to Germany, a lot of that would have come from Alberta. There’s also the growing homeless issue not just in AB but all across the country. So she could start by saying Trudeau should be a better advocate for Canadians.

What does decline to help mean? Do you have specific actions you’d like to have seen Trudeau take? I would accept an argument that the current regulatory environment in Canada likely doesn’t attract private investment to build new LNG but if you started design today you are probably 5 years out on Easy coast LNG. So that really doesn’t help Germany.

I agree there is a growing homeless issue in Canada. I have never heard Smith offer solutions for homelessness and I’m not sure how Trudeau is standing in the way of premiers fighting homelessness.

I don’t understand the hatred of Trudeau. I think he is very superficial and speaks in meaningless platitudes and isn’t very bright but I don’t see where policy wise he needs standing up to. If you want to go with Carbin tax and clean fuel standards unfortunately “standing up to him” doesn’t do anything because that is constitutionally protected.

If it’s anti-Covid restrictions the bulk of those were provincial rather than federal so again not much action required and I believe they are all gone.

Anyway I won’t try to convince you that Smith is bad but at least spend the time to get past “standing up to Trudeau” as a reason to like her. Like her for her specific plans not meaningless buzzwords.

[Roughneck]

Trudeau could just tell Smith that the federal government won’t dare overstep their jurisdiction when it comes to housing policy in Alberta and stay out of it altogether.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Macman

Didn’t Trudeau just decline to help with energy to Germany, a lot of that would have come from Alberta. There’s also the growing homeless issue not just in AB but all across the country. So she could start by saying Trudeau should be a better advocate for Canadians.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...udeau-00053144


Trudeau told Germany it's doable. The problem has always been the economics. It wasn't financially viable before and with the timelines now needed it's not viable now. The federal government isn't and shouldn't be in the business of building pipelines and terminals. We've seen how that works out.


This is the kind of stuff you say when you only read certain types of news sources

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DFO

The brainwashing of Alberta ‘conservative’ voters is fascinating. There’ll be no reasoning most of them out of their crazy views.

Weirder still is how it’s bragged about.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

You should probably log back in and say your account was hacked or something. Might be the dumbest post in internet history.

And your’s the laziest , post a counter argument not an insult.
It’s so funny all these liberal keyboard warriors really think UCP won’t roll through this province again.

While your at it let’s dream of reviving the Liberal party in Alberta dreamers.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Yoho

And your’s the laziest , post a counter argument not an insult.
It’s so funny all these liberal keyboard warriors really think UCP won’t roll through this province again.

While your at it let’s dream of reviving the Liberal party in Alberta dreamers.

Bold prediction when Conservative voters in Alberta would (and pretty much have) vote in a literal cold bowl of porridge if it ran under the UCP banner.

There's no real argument that voting UCP isn't, at best, intellectually lazy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...udeau-00053144

Trudeau told Germany it's doable. The problem has always been the economics. It wasn't financially viable before and with the timelines now needed it's not viable now. The federal government isn't and shouldn't be in the business of building pipelines and terminals. We've seen how that works out.

This is the kind of stuff you say when you only read certain types of news sources

Whats the alternative? We had private companies willing to do it, they got permits and approvals and then when the rabble were roused they 'yoinked' them.

Over and over and over.

Our 'Permitting Process' is a joke. You can jump through every flaming hoop and the Government just adds another one.

The Government jerked them around, so they bailed.

And then, lo and behold, all of a sudden the Government realized that being 'Lucy with the football' wasnt a great look had no other options.

We can bitch and moan that Governments had to buy up pipelines...but they made this bed themselves.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whats the alternative? We had private companies willing to do it, they got permits and approvals and then when the rabble were roused they 'yoinked' them.



Over and over and over.



Our 'Permitting Process' is a joke. You can jump through every flaming hoop and the Government just adds another one.



The Government jerked them around, so they bailed.



And then, lo and behold, all of a sudden the Government realized that being 'Lucy with the football' wasnt a great look had no other options.



We can bitch and moan that Governments had to buy up pipelines...but they made this bed themselves.

Agreed, but then buying them doesn't work anyways. Government money should be used to backstop low risk high capital projects. This ain't it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Agreed, but then buying them doesn't work anyways. Government money should be used to backstop low risk high capital projects. This ain't it.

Dude...You're preaching to the choir.

All I'm saying is that they shouldnt have ####-blocked the original plans.

Independent businesses were willing to plan, fund and execute the construction of these things.

But the Government kept on blocking them. Then the businesses said "We're done this nonsense" and the Government was like a jilted lover.

"Nooooo....dont leave us! We'll buy you!!"

Buying something and not doing anything with it is worthless. You want to talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars?

And now half of Europe is clamoring for this thing that private businesses planned for years ago, applied for permission and permits for, that the Government approved...then disapproved and essentially that the Government kept moving the goalposts for...

The Government only bought these things because they're idiots!

They cowtowed to idiot environmentalists on ideology instead of acknowledging that Canada is primarily a 'Resource Based' Economy.

If they had told those clowns to GTFO at the outset could you imagine where we'd be now?

We'd be the #1 supplier of energy to half of Europe. We'd be rolling in cash.

But....there is no 'Business Sense' to it. Because the world doesnt need Natural Gas...

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by DFO

The brainwashing of Alberta ‘conservative’ voters is fascinating. There’ll be no reasoning most of them out of their crazy views.

The weird part to me is that the UCP, and to a lesser extent the federal PCs, aren't really that conservative. They are social conservatives, and that is a whole other beast.

I'm not sure how the two things became intertwined enough that they are one party, or that there are people who actually can't see that the people on the 'right' side of the political spectrum don't actually share their political values, even if they do happen to share some social values. A lot of people don't even hold the social values of the conservatives running the party, so I have no idea why they would support them at all.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Dude...You're preaching to the choir.



All I'm saying is that they shouldnt have ####-blocked the original plans.



Independent businesses were willing to plan, fund and execute the construction of these things.



But the Government kept on blocking them. Then the businesses said "We're done this nonsense" and the Government was like a jilted lover.



"Nooooo....dont leave us! We'll buy you!!"



Buying something and not doing anything with it is worthless. You want to talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars?



And now half of Europe is clamoring for this thing that private businesses planned for years ago, applied for permission and permits for, that the Government approved...then disapproved and essentially that the Government kept moving the goalposts for...



The Government only bought these things because they're idiots!



They cowtowed to idiot environmentalists on ideology instead of acknowledging that Canada is primarily a 'Resource Based' Economy.



If they had told those clowns to GTFO at the outset could you imagine where we'd be now?



We'd be the #1 supplier of energy to half of Europe. We'd be rolling in cash.



But....there is no 'Business Sense' to it. Because the world doesnt need Natural Gas...

You are also speaking to the choir. Perhaps we could duet. My original post was referring to the comment that Trudeau just recently said no to Germany. He said literally the opposite, but that's the headline of all the right wing rags and so now I see it parroted here. It's annoying. Be less gullible people

Canada's history with pipelines of all kinds of pretty lousy and there's plenty of federal and jurisdictional blame to go around. I'm no expert and there's many here smarter than me, but until recently LNG east was not an economic option. With timelines to build and likely demand destruction coming with long term fossil fuel policies elsewhere, I'm not sure there's any private money rushing in to do it now either

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by T-Dog

For what it’s worth, I’m a lifelong conservative voter and I won’t be voting for either conservative party in the next provincial and federal elections. I find both new leaders appalling and I suspect there are a lot of traditionally conservative voters that feel the same way.

I'm with you on this. I listened to 770 talk for decades and had to stop when Smith was there. She is an absolute nut job. It is mind blowing to me that she can have any type of political support. I guess she must be charismatic, I don't see it, because to be blunt she is a ####ing idiot.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Bold prediction when Conservative voters in Alberta would (and pretty much have) vote in a literal cold bowl of porridge if it ran under the UCP banner.

There's no real argument that voting UCP isn't, at best, intellectually lazy.

Calling conservative voters stupid usually ends up bad for the leftists lol.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Calling conservative voters stupid usually ends up bad for the leftists lol.

Maybe conservative voters should demand more of their representatives than they currently are - instead of gleefully revelling in a race to the bottom.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe conservative voters should demand more of their representatives than they currently are - instead of gleefully revelling in a race to the bottom.

But for far too many of them the goal isn’t for more of anything other than dunking on stupid lefties. Worse leadership does exactly that. And then they brag about it. It’s so weird.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Calling conservative voters stupid usually ends up bad for the leftists lol.

I mean it’s so easy to dupe the conservative voters, what would you call it if not stupid? It’s easy grift money for any conservative leader.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...udeau-00053144


Trudeau told Germany it's doable. The problem has always been the economics. It wasn't financially viable before and with the timelines now needed it's not viable now. The federal government isn't and shouldn't be in the business of building pipelines and terminals. We've seen how that works out.


This is the kind of stuff you say when you only read certain types of news sources

Then why did they get involved with Trans Mountain at the time when the project was already approved and under construction? Trudeau should just step down already, he’s past his best before date and lot of people across the country agree.

I don’t mind Notley but if there’s still a Trudeau/Singh coalition at the federal level I don’t think I’ll be voting NDP here.

[Street Pharmacist]

TransMountain is a different kettle of fish than a large nat gas pipeline to an LNG terminal. I'm not talking about whether Trudeau is good, bad or indifferent. But the usual rags keep saying Trudeau told Germany no and that's literally the opposite of what he said.