[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Are you seriously comparing Iginla to Gretzky?

No...Just saying a 35 year old rental isn't going to bring back much...even if your name is Gretzky.

[moon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And to this I'll say - have you ever watched them at all?
Why can't people just admit what they don't know.

I don't know these players at all. I don't know if they will make it or not.

So I'm not going to proclaim they are likely NHLers or say we'll "never hear from them again".

I think there is enough resources online and through the media to get a fairly good sense of what these guys bring. I agree that the `never hear from them again` comments are a little much but secondary prospects seem reasonable.

[dino7c]

Iginla for 17 meaningless games<1st rounder and 2 prospects

[Teroy]

Time for everyone to realize that's all a 36 year old, 2014 free agent with 9 goals, 13 assists and -7 is worth.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Another possible way this played out
- Boston and Calgary agree on the deal
- Bs make the 1st conditional
- Feaster goes to Iggy and say the 1st is conditional, do you think there's a good chance you re-sign there.
- Iggy says no, or says I want to test the market, or says I plan on coming back to the west for family reasons, something like that
- Feaster now knows the chances of the conditional 1st becoming a 1st are slim, so moves on to Pitt who will include a first without conditions.

I actually think that's precisely how it may have gone.

That's a decent guess, especially considering what Jarome said during his presser about not knowing what the future holds.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by moon

I think he choose the Penguins at that time. Again does he chose the Penguins if the Flames say they do not like the offer?

If they say we like the offers from LA and Boston does Iginla say nope I want only Pittsburgh. If that was the case then it puts them in a tough spot but it sounds like they said that they liked all 3 offers, Pittsburgh included, and in my view saying that the Pittsburgh offer was acceptable was a bad decision.

i also think there would have been more pressure on Pittsburgh than you do but we will never know without being in the room of each team I guess.

What were Boston and LA offering? You seem to know this so perhaps you'd like to share.

Pittsburgh had very little pressure on them, they were already poised to make a long run and had just picked up Morrow. The pressure to make a deal here was 95-5 on the Flames.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

That very well might have happened. It still does not excuse the GM from getting a better return from Pitt.

What? This is a joke right?

FFS, do people really think the Flames had even an ounce of leverage here? Good lord.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

I think he choose the Penguins at that time. Again does he chose the Penguins if the Flames say they do not like the offer?

If they say we like the offers from LA and Boston does Iginla say nope I want only Pittsburgh. If that was the case then it puts them in a tough spot but it sounds like they said that they liked all 3 offers, Pittsburgh included, and in my view saying that the Pittsburgh offer was acceptable was a bad decision.

i also think there would have been more pressure on Pittsburgh than you do but we will never know without being in the room of each team I guess.

The bolded part is what has me scratching my head. Don't know what the LA proposal was, but neither of the Pitt or Boston deal's were good.

Fans seem to want to give Feaster a pass because Boston would not have had a guarnateed first.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Time for everyone to realize that's all a 36 year old, 2014 free agent with 9 goals, 13 assists and -7 is worth.

He's worth a whole lot more if there is more than one team to trade with

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

Why wouldn't you? Not a lot of HOF's that ahve been traded in similar situations to compare with. It's actually a pretty apt comparison, two dominant guys on the downside of their careers.

Because Iggy isn't even in the same league as Gretzky. The year Gretzky was traded to St Louis he scored 120 pts in 80 games and averaged more than a pt per game for the last 5 years. Can you say the same about Iggy? No.

As a matter of fact, Gretzky retired 5 years later at the age of 40 because he was "only" averaging a pt per game and he felt he was no longer able to play at the level he wanted to.

Definitely apples and oranges.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

What were Boston and LA offering? You seem to know this so perhaps you'd like to share.

Pittsburgh had very little pressure on them, they were already poised to make a long run and had just picked up Morrow. The pressure to make a deal here was 95-5 on the Flames.

The real pressure was on Boston, they needed to keep Iginla away from the Pens. thats where the best return was.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Reactions from former teammates:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=nhl-analysis...93825/clip/625

Kipper's reaction actually made me the most sad

That's actually from before the game last night, when they knew he was not going to play IIRC.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And to this I'll say - have you ever watched them at all?
Why can't people just admit what they don't know.

I don't know these players at all. I don't know if they will make it or not.

So I'm not going to proclaim they are likely NHLers or say we'll "never hear from them again".

I don't proclaim to be the be all, end all when it comes to prospects and development. But I do know that even Pens fans were asking "who?" when this trade went down, and that is rarely a good sign.

And frankly, this organization's history with young players has given me zero reason to believe they found some diamonds in the rough here.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Well... I likey the sounds of this:

Agostino has taken a few pages out of New York Rangers forward and captain Ryan Callahan’s style of play. Agostino is implementing some of Callahan’s own success into success for himself.

“I want to be a complete player like Callahan,” Agostino said. “Callahan’s defensive zone coverage and his transition offense is something I like. Those are two things I am trying to improve on. I also love Callahan’s work ethic, obviously if you can work as hard as he can you are doing all right.”

Source: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...uing-prospect/

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That's actually from before the game last night, when they knew he was not going to play IIRC.

I think they all probably knew what was happening.

Iginla, I imagine, is the type of guy who would keep his teammates apprised of the situation, especially if Iginla wasn't going to be there to deal with some of the media heat.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Because Iggy isn't even in the same league as Gretzky. The year Gretzky was traded to St Louis he scored 120 pts in 80 games and averaged more than a pt per game for the last 5 years. Can you say the same about Iggy? No.

Definitely apples and oranges.

You missed the point completely. Look at the stats you mentioned and then look at the return. If that's what came across for Gretzky who the hell do people think the Flames should have gotten so much more for Iginla?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Well... I likey the sounds of this:



Source: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...uing-prospect/

Yes, I like the sound of that.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I don't proclaim to be the be all, end all when it comes to prospects and development. But I do know that even Pens fans were asking "who?" when this trade went down, and that is rarely a good sign.

And frankly, this organization's history with young players has given me zero reason to believe they found some diamonds in the rough here.

Not to mention these guys are only projected to be 3rd, 4th liners at the best. They are not even ranked highly among the other Penguins prospects....

[moon]

Originally Posted by valo403

What were Boston and LA offering? You seem to know this so perhaps you'd like to share.

Pittsburgh had very little pressure on them, they were already poised to make a long run and had just picked up Morrow. The pressure to make a deal here was 95-5 on the Flames.

I don't know and have said all along that I THINK they could have got more. Never said the other deals were definitely better just that I think they could have got more than the poor deal they did.

I think Pittsburgh is smart enough and well run enough to know that giving up a guy ranked 5th on their team in terms of prospects to ensure they get Iginla isn't likely to hurt them at all in the future and is worth it to get the top guy available. Again could be wrong.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Because Iggy isn't even in the same league as Gretzky. The year Gretzky was traded to St Louis he scored 120 pts in 80 games and averaged more than a pt per game for the last 5 years. Can you say the same about Iggy? No.

Definitely apples and oranges.

Which is kind of my point. If Greztky's value as a rental brought back fringe NHL players (the players played 65, 557, 133 games while both draft picks never saw the ice in an NHL arena) it puts in perspective of the return the Flames got.

My main point was each were traded as a 35 year old rental and the return was next to nothing.